Yes, but your statement : >"I don't think we can properly compare the domain of music with the domain of visual art. Because they are different domains they engage different media and thus different senses and their emotional contents. Further, any music, maybe even humming or tapping one's fingers, requires some skill as is certainly the case with any instrumental music. But in the visual arts, no specific skills of any kind (beyond being alive and conscious) are required. Danto, following Duchamp, has demonstrated well enough that the everyday as the everyday, even when unaltered, can be art as determined by its experience. Visual Art is in its reception or not at all and anything visual can be the medium whether or not it was ever intended as art. It's more complicated with music, for even John Cage provided a composition with his famous 4 minutes, 33 seconds piece. That's why visual artists are more suspect than musicians. Musicians, usually, have performative or instrumental skills that most people don't have. Many recognized visual artists, however, cannot demonstrate any skills beyond the banal and commonplace". wc <
is such a mix of different senses of, that I got lost where is William and where is sarcastic William. If this is a case you got me. Another reason: I think you are more open to conceptual art then I am. Boris Shoshensky To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Rational Discussion and aesthetic quality Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 19:31:52 -0700 (PDT) A sense of humor helps. wc ________________________________ From: Boris Shoshensky <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 9:20:27 PM Subject: Re: Rational Discussion and aesthetic quality I thought it is a simple question. Do visual artists need skills or not? Boris Shoshensky ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Michael Brady <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Rational Discussion and aesthetic quality Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 11:04:05 -0400 William > So I can say something, Miller can deny it; Boris can say > something, Mando can deny it. Ad infinitum. Sooner or later we > need to agree that our claims and examples for objectivity will > trump our subjective experiences, at least for the sake of finding > common ground. If we each prefer to assert experience over > objectivity, then we have our own opinions and nothing else. Or we > can argue over whose experiences are superior, and thus closer to > objectivity, than others. In that line claim first place. Who will > push me out? Miller? Cheerskep? Mando? Boris? Others? Michael? > Maybe Michael. I'll pass. In fact, I'll pass on standing in any line. Jostling for position in line is like watching Thesis and Antithesis elbowing each other to be first, and then looking up and seeing Synthesis all alone at the beginning of another line. Then everybody rushes over to it and the jostling begins again. Comparing experiences is a fruitless task, because no one can experience another person's sense of taste or sight, etc. The best one can do is to say, "Bananas taste great. Here try this one. Was I right?" In this little scene, the banana is, of course, the objective fact, that is, if you experience the same thing I experience, there is a high probability that your reaction will be very close to mine. (Such a test, however, doesn't always succeed, as I can attest. Despite what many people say, I detest mushrooms and won't eat them!) All of our experiences are premised on the assumption that the forms of entities in the world remain largely unchanged and predictable (within known and understood conditions) and that individual encounters, either my own repeated encounters or those of many other people, will result in almost the same reactions. But that's when the cultural stuff kicks in, as you said in your message from Wednesday: "Visual Art is in its reception or not at all and anything visual can be the medium whether or not it was ever intended as art." | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Michael Brady [email protected] http://considerthepreposition.blogspot.com/ Subscribe: [email protected] Unsubscribe: [email protected] ____________________________________________________________ Click to replace your roof - modern technology. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYW0RnelknongF6ytTRbbYJRx VBVrCtP7TYtMDRR2zGD2MYiidbV7q/
