references are infinite from anything. One can project a universe
from the
thought of an atom.
mando
On Oct 19, 2009, at 9:17 AM, Chris Miller wrote:
"Experience has taught me that proposals for how music might be
about one
thing or another are limited only the ingenuity of philosophers
thinking them
up. And since the ingenuity of philosophers is limitless, so are the
proposals. It would be a life's work just to keep up....... but
however
philosophic ingenuity may produce candidates for aboutness in
music, it is a
hollow logical victory, simply a parlor trick, unless it can be
shownthat the
aboutness is something we should care about, something that makes
the music
interesting and valuable to us" (Kivy, p. 174)
For music, there is no reason that we can't substitute "abstract
painting".
For "aboutness", there is no reason that we can't substitute
"meaninglessness".
William tells us " Some people can't perceive or project many
references, some
can."
While I would assert that those who can are not limited by the artwork
presented to them.
So, here's a little test:
William can begin to list the references he can project from his
favorite
Kandinsky painting - - while I will begin to list
the references that I can project from the Kinkade painting that I
loathe the
most.
Then we'll see who can produce the longest list.
And we'll also discover just how important the length of such a
list might be
to "something we should care about, something that makes the painting
interesting and valuable to us"
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Every sound will evoke reference, just as every shape does, and
every
color.
In fact, the more 'abstract' the more references there are. There
is no such
thing as non-representational. The quest for meaninglessness is
simply the
quest for the maximum evocations. Some people can't perceive or
project many
references, some can. The fewer references one senses the dumber
that person
is...or, more likely, the more conditioned that person is.
Nevertheless, we
all need to use conditioned references most of the time (as when
that tree is
in my path so I must move around it). But once we realize that we can
operate
(think) in multiple metaphorical tracks at once, some rational and
sequential
or logical, some imaginative, non-sequential, poetic, then we can
realize how
wonderful experience and consciousness can be. So, the more you
approach
meaninglessness, the closer you get to imaginative and creative
freedom
and...paradoxically...meanings. It's so simple that it is too
opaque for
Kivy and many others. (WC)
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