"Experience has taught me that proposals for how music might be about one
thing or another are limited only the ingenuity of philosophers thinking them
up. And since the ingenuity of philosophers is limitless, so are the
proposals. It would be a life's work just to keep up....... but however
philosophic ingenuity may produce  candidates for aboutness in music, it is a
hollow logical victory, simply a parlor trick, unless it can be shownthat the
aboutness is something we should care about, something that makes the music
interesting and valuable to us" (Kivy, p. 174)

For music, there is no reason that we can't substitute "abstract painting".

For "aboutness", there is no reason that we can't substitute
"meaninglessness".

William tells us " Some people can't perceive or project many references, some
can."

While I would assert that those who can are not limited by the artwork
presented to them.

So, here's a little test:

William can begin to list the references he can project from his favorite
Kandinsky painting - - while I will begin to list
the references that I can project from the Kinkade painting that I loathe the
most.

Then we'll see who can produce the longest list.


And  we'll also discover just how important the length of such a list might be
to "something we should care about, something that makes the painting
interesting and valuable to us"




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>Every sound will evoke  reference, just as every shape does, and every
color.
In fact, the more 'abstract' the more references there are.  There is no such
thing as non-representational.  The quest for meaninglessness is simply the
quest for the maximum evocations. Some people can't perceive or project many
references, some can.  The fewer references one senses the dumber that person
is...or, more likely, the more conditioned that person is.  Nevertheless, we
all need to use conditioned references most of the time (as when that tree is
in my path so I must move around it).  But once we realize that we can
operate
(think) in multiple metaphorical tracks at once, some rational and sequential
or logical, some imaginative, non-sequential, poetic, then we can realize how
wonderful experience and consciousness can be.  So, the more you approach
meaninglessness, the closer you get to imaginative and creative freedom
and...paradoxically...meanings.  It's so  simple that it is too opaque for
Kivy and many others. (WC)


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