First the critc does not say that williams observations are incorrect - but
that he merely overinterpreted
Manets use of multiple vanishing points and in this sought proof of his
hypothesis  -Seems to me all Duve is asking for is a more measured argument -
one that adhere's to the decorum of the field of aesthetics - Now the question
is do we believe in Duve's characterization of what is a sin in aesthetics or
is he merely pontificatiing - and then the real question is why  do you stand
by Duve's position in this matter - given it is offered only to strengthen
his(and perhaps your own) position - what makes him a authority in either
matter (Manet and sin) - if one reads Michael  Fried's book on Manet he
dismisses Hanson's as a strategy to demonstrate the correctness of his own
interpretation - the question of the correctness of Williams diagramming is;
is it consistent with the painting ( it might be overly speculative - or
overdetermined in that conger wished to prove his point) )and the practice of
the artist - not having studied Williams diagram - but knowing his premise -
the premise is consistent with not only Manet's practice of fracturing the
pictorial space and then re-assembling it so that at first glance it appears
pictorially cohesive (in that he had a desire to present all painting as
artifice; as a studio construction and therefore only real in the sense of its
artificiality and materiality) - which is also  consistent with the interest
of a number of his fellow artists who sought to dismantle perspective as the
sole structural principle for pictorial space and optics-


On 11/1/09 7:34 AM, "Chris Miller" <[email protected]> wrote:

De Duve's essay about "The Bar at the Follies Bergere" in Critical Inquiry
(Autumn, 1998) is available to anyone with access to a university library. I
got a copy yesterday and will  discuss it later this month.


But for now, I'd just like to share this brief  quote with you:



"Conger's fragmented multiplication of viewpoints is so  much at odds with
the
powerful artistic synthesis the Bar actually displays that I am afraid it is
the perfect example of what not to do with optics when this science is
harnessed to the reading of this particular painting.  Overinterpretation
mistakes overdetermination for proof - a sin in matters aesthetic"


A perfect example, indeed.

And what is "sin in matters aesthetic" ?  How would it differ from sin in
matters scientific?

I hope De Duve discusses that issue, somewhere, as well.



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