Questions concerning perspective seem to be one of the most popular "diverse,
linked texts" concerning representational painting, but they have been so
over-worked by now, how could they possibly still enable us to "gain insight -
think in a manner, or become conscious of relationships previously
unconsidered"

They rest upon the assumption that there is some way the eye really sees -- so
there's something wrong in "Supper at Emmaus" if things don't get smaller as
they recede into the distance, and there is something right about "Follies
Bergere" if there are multiple implicit vanishing points.

I'm more inclined to ask "why is it important to see this painting" --
coinciding with "what did the artist  most likely try to present" ---  and let
my viewing experience provide me answers (if it can find any).

And what I bring to  that experience is my own experience of looking,  as well
as an on-going historical narrative.

When I look at "Supper at Emmaus",  I feel like I'm at -- indeed, within -- a
momentous, profound  event  that is  both  real and magic.  (Most religious
painting doesn't do that for me, so I regard this painting as exceptional -
and it currently diminishes everything else in gallery 112 except for El
Greco's  Assumption of the Virgin)

When I look at "Follies Bergere" (or, at least a jpg of it) I feel  a bit
tipsy and uncomfortable.  There is something  so sad -- but also so riotous --
about it. Something very important seemsto be happening -- but it's not
particularly good.  With her blank stare, a fine, handsome, healthy young
woman seems lost -- contrasted with sharp, purposeful stare of the man facing
her in the  mirror.
And what  about  all those people in the background - in variant degrees of
attractive to repulsive? (one of whom is hanging from the ceiling)  And those
glaring lights and swirling crowds that make me a bit
nauseous, even if there are some beautiful people around.   It all makes me
feel completely ambivalent about the place.
(and reminds me why I don't like to visit bars)

The phrase "demi-monde" seems appropriate  -- something like the Japanese
"floating world" that was its contemporary.  The  Bijin-ga genre that
presented it could be just  as sympathetic with the women but was never
ambivalent  about the entire situation.  In the Japanese Buddhist world,
everyone is born to her own destiny.

That's the kind of text that I assemble, and  If found, it also seems  more
interestinf and  likely intended than displays of some kind of technical
innovation or virtuosity.

I can understand why an  historian or artist might be more interested in
technical issues -- but I do question why an  art theorist, like Thierry de
Duve would investigate  "How Manet's "A Bar at the Folies-Bergere" Is
Constructed"  (the title of the 1998 article in Critical Inquiry which
mentioned some of   William's ideas)

As well as I wonder why De Duve  would be considered  qualified to speak on
this subject.  Isn't method of construction something  that only the artist --
or a student of the artist -- can authoritatively discuss?  (beyond just the
identification of tools, materials, and historical references)

It's as if ideas about the construction of a painting were more important than
whatever effects they have -- and I would propose that the effects -- at
least, the  most important ones,are too complex to be accounted for by such
ideas - which often -- as with the "implicit vanishing points"  mentioned by
William - are rather subjective. (did anyone else really see
"Another vanishing point .. the left corner of Suzon's mouth...  the apex of a
pyramid that aligns with some bottles on the left  and with the receding plane
of the right side of the compote (bowl of fruit)."

I can't even see that point as some kind of vanishing point even after William
pointed it out.

So  much is involved in making something feel profound, sad, riotous etc.  As
well as in making something feel real --as  a scene more like the Follies
Bergere than a whale, a camel, or any other as-if.

All the relationships of color and line are involved, as well as the postures
and the expressions of the figures which can only be described by the painting
itself.

If the search  for  implicit vanishing points deserves three pages of text --
the entire inquiry concerning construction would require many volumes.


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