If we were art historians we would be held to different standards - or at
least Mando  would have to demonstrate where and when Manet demonstrated his
ability to resolve a large composition in the conventional manner Mondo
proposes for this painting - but given that we are not even aestheticians -
but merely a ragged group of undisciplined observers shooting their mouth off
- we need not hold one another to any standards that extends beyond respecting
each others right to their unsubstantiated subjectivity


On 11/9/09 1:42 AM, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:

"Or must we just rely on Manet's great reputation, Boris' strong assertion,
and Saul's well-earned entitlement, to convince us otherwise?"

Reputation of the artist, as a rule, doesn't affect my reaction to the
artwork.
Boris Shoshensky
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: manet
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 02:58:34 GMT

So far,  everyone has agreed with Saul that  "the simple composition of the
woman behind the bar  unravels into a sequence of interpretations"

It's just that Mando thinks the painting stays unraveled -- and so appears to
have been "abandoned" as Manet "lost it"

Can any detailed argument be made to the contrary?

Or must we just rely on Manet's great reputation, Boris' strong assertion,
and Saul's well-earned entitlement, to convince us otherwise?

BTW -- though I disagree with him, I'm quite glad that Mando is sticking to
his guns and is not afraid to stand behind a very
un-canonical  opinion.

And I find his stance much  more honorable - and useful -- than any argument
by authority.



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