You are entitled to whatever it is you are entitled to - entitlement though is not always a good thing - I do not think I'm entitled to my opinion - I think Ihave won my right to it
On 11/4/09 4:10 PM, "armando baeza" <[email protected]> wrote: With all due respect, you are entitled to your view, and so am I. mando On Nov 4, 2009, at 10:33 AM, William Conger wrote: > I find it hilarious that you or anyone could so easily dismiss > anything by Manet, let alone one of his most admired and > universally recognized masterworks. When, and if, that genius > stumbled or "lost it" he was still well above all but a few of the > best artists in history. In my view, it's you who has lost it in > looking at Manet, and have transferred that fault to Manet. > wc > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: armando baeza <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Cc: armando baeza <[email protected]> > Sent: Wed, November 4, 2009 12:25:33 PM > Subject: Re: manet > > Can happen to any human, even us. > mando > > On Nov 4, 2009, at 10:12 AM, William Conger wrote: > >> This is truly funny. "Manet lost it on this design." >> wc >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: armando baeza <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Cc: armando baeza <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tue, November 3, 2009 8:51:08 PM >> Subject: Re: manet >> >> Sorry Chris. >> Manet, as great as he was. lost it on this design. I think he was not >> satisfied with this one, yet i love the overall feeling. >> mando >> >> On Nov 3, 2009, at 9:05 AM, Chris Miller wrote: >> >>>> Sorry, but this line of thought is above my intellectual >>>> capacity of >>> comprehension. (Boris Shoshensky) >>> >>> That was it's intention. >>> >>> >>> But it's only only a commonplace to note that " when certain cues >>> are present >>> in a image they (i.e. all viewers) fill >>> in the missing information" >>> >>> While Saul's response does not address the recognition of a >>> "central >>> organizing effect" --- which some viewers (like you, I, and >>> Duve) find in >>> 'The Bar at the Folies Bergere" , others (like Mando) apparently >>> do not, and >>> still others (like Saul and William) may find, but consider that >>> issue to be >>> highly subjective, and just one discourse among many that may be >>> conducted >>> concerning any painting. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------- Original Message ---------- >>> >>> ............................... >>> >>> >>> Sorry, but this line of thought is above my intellectual capacity of >>> comprehension. >>> Boris Shoshensky >>> >>> >>> From: Saul Ostrow <[email protected]> >>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, >>> "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>> Cc: William Conger <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: manet >>> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:56:13 -0500 >>> >>> Someone's expectation that when certain cues are present in a >>> image they fill >>> in the missing information - consequently we see in the case of >>> Manet's >>> painting perspective where there is single organizing principle - >>> that as >>> Mando suggests the painting was painted at different times with some >>> disregard >>> for what came before - similar to what he had done in Luncheon on >>> the Grass >>> >>> >>> On 11/3/09 10:40 AM, "Boris Shoshensky" >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> What lies and in which habits? >>> Boris Shoshensky >>> >>> ---------- Original Message ---------- >>> From: Saul Ostrow <[email protected]> >>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, >>> "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>> Cc: William Conger <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: manet >>> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:17:04 -0500 >>> >>> And does this lie in the habits of the viewer in the case of Manet >>> >>> >>> On 11/2/09 1:16 PM, "Boris Shoshensky" >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> "Actually I thought what I had sent along supported Williams >>> observation - by >>> demonstrating the fact that the space of the painting has no central >>> organizing principle and that each section or sector has its own >>> logic" >>> >>> That each section or sector has its own logic doesn't prevent >>> composition to >>> have 'bridges' that create central organizing effect, without >>> which painting >>> would fall apart. >>> Boris Shoshensky >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> Diet Help >>> Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. >>> http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/c? >>> cp=DyukY8C53vLkKj5f6OczmAAAJz6c >>> l_zTaptgNR5c8Mer1v9kAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAA >>> AAA= --
