This is truly funny.  "Manet lost it on this design."  
wc

----- Original Message ----
From: armando baeza <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Cc: armando baeza <[email protected]>
Sent: Tue, November 3, 2009 8:51:08 PM
Subject: Re: manet

Sorry Chris.
Manet, as great as he was. lost it on this design. I think he was not
satisfied with this one, yet i love the overall feeling.
mando

On Nov 3, 2009, at 9:05 AM, Chris Miller wrote:

>> Sorry, but this line of thought is above my intellectual capacity of
> comprehension. (Boris Shoshensky)
> 
> That was it's intention.
> 
> 
> But it's only only a commonplace to note that " when certain cues are present
> in a image they (i.e. all viewers) fill
> in the missing information"
> 
> While  Saul's response does not  address the recognition of a "central
> organizing effect" --- which some viewers  (like you, I, and Duve) find in
> 'The Bar at the Folies Bergere" ,  others (like Mando) apparently do not, and
> still others (like Saul and William) may find, but consider that issue to be
> highly subjective, and just one discourse among many that may be conducted
> concerning any painting.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> 
> ...............................
> 
> 
> Sorry, but this line of thought is above my intellectual capacity of
> comprehension.
> Boris Shoshensky
> 
> 
> From: Saul Ostrow <[email protected]>
> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>,
> "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> Cc: William Conger <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: manet
> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:56:13 -0500
> 
> Someone's expectation that when certain cues are present in a image they fill
> in the missing information - consequently we see in the case of Manet's
> painting perspective where there is single organizing principle - that as
> Mando suggests the painting was painted at different times with some
> disregard
> for what came before - similar to what he had done in Luncheon on the Grass
> 
> 
> On 11/3/09 10:40 AM, "Boris Shoshensky" <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> What lies and in which habits?
> Boris Shoshensky
> 
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Saul Ostrow <[email protected]>
> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>,
> "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> Cc: William Conger <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: manet
> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:17:04 -0500
> 
> And does this lie in the habits of the viewer in the case of Manet
> 
> 
> On 11/2/09 1:16 PM, "Boris Shoshensky" <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> "Actually I thought what I had sent along supported Williams observation - by
> demonstrating the fact that the space of the painting has no central
> organizing principle and that each section or sector has its own logic"
> 
> That each section or sector has its own logic doesn't prevent composition to
> have 'bridges' that  create central organizing effect, without which painting
> would fall apart.
> Boris Shoshensky
> 
> 
> 
> 
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