They don't they are just inconsequential for neither of you do anything with your intuitions - they stay an undeveloped observation, or statement of belief - Mondo thinks he can feel Manet's frustration - and that's where it ends -
On 11/17/09 8:43 AM, "Chris Miller" <[email protected]> wrote: William has not explained how anything that Mando or I have written contradicts his "expert comment" - so once again he's advocating reason and scholarship without bothering to practice it. ....................... >Here's my expert comment: Manet's painting of the Bar is poorly composed if we judge it by the conventionalized story-telling art with eros standards of 19C salon painting. His painting is well composed if we judge it by the standards that developed after Cezanne. What makes Manet's compositions interesting in that respect is his prescience and ability to actually present pictorial ideas that had been slowly emerging since the 1860s (ideas centered on the pictorIalism of time vs, the frozen moment of painting, and the slice of life pictorialism that imitated the darting of the eye over the field of sight. In addition Manet purposely quoted other artists, like Courbet, in his work, to underscore the assemblage notion of time, experience, seeing). Miller's proclamations to apotheosize the so-called individual opinion, as if it came directly non-stop from God, unaffected by any mortal breath, are ridiculous in a list devoted to discussion and inquiry of ideas, and history. He goes so far as to honor this absurd solipsism as "integrity". If that's what integrity rests on, smug and arrogantly dumbfounding ignorance, then the concept it points to is newly impoverished and shriveled beyond compare. The literature re Manet in the history of art and criticism is so abundant, and so varied and so well examined by so many thoughtful and educated people who have actually seen his paintings, etc., that it is the folly of complete fools to interject their unreasoned, unreflective, unknowing, inexperienced, and totally irrelevant opinions into the mix and then, with the splotchy nuttiness of a tyrant insane, to declare such inanities as proof of integrity. With such oddly strange views as Miller's, and Mando's? regarding the Bar composition, one would be better off covering over the painting altogether in an effort to deny that Manet was in fact a great artist who influenced art and to deny that it contradicts their opinions in every stroke of paint. Some artists are content to stand aside from art history and do artisanship or shine up yesterday's beauty. Fine. But ambitious artists want to be in the thick of ongoing art history, to make a contribution, to kick 'em in the ass, to help symbolize their time, to lavish praise on the gods for keeping the whole messy reality alive and ever new, complex, paradoxical, promising, frightening, present. Manet is such a great friend to anyone who can actually look at painting. ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/c?cp=thjkrHS0KOCMMUA00xsOUAAAJz6c l_zTaptgNR5c8Mer1v9kAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= --
