For me this particular work of Mane meets traditional standards of a good innovative (part of tradition in a masterwork) composition. I would say as composition it has less experimental flavors than some of Degas oils. I am personally in love with this painting. In this case, I think, it is simply a matter of Mando's taste. Boris Shoshensky
---------- Original Message ---------- From: Saul Ostrow <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Where do opinions come from Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:23:23 -0500 It was fairly conventional he was comparing traditional standards of a good composition (balanced) with what Manet was doing - in the sense that for Mando what manet did in the 1870s was out of the loop", quite outside those "dominant rules of thought that are necessary to produce a relatively stable framework which will enable "good" art and mando wanted to get it back to a norms of finish and composition that still dominates most middle brow views of good art On 11/16/09 11:00 AM, "Chris Miller" <[email protected]> wrote: So, Saul, where do you think Mando's opinion of Manet's last painting came from? It was, as you put it, " And yet, Mando, the artist, seems to have been at least as productive as anyone else on this listserv. And perhaps more so, in that he is not afraid to share opinions that disqualify him as a knowledgeable, educated person - which opinions challenge conventional knowledge and reveal its superficiality. (ie. no one has yet been able to counter his opinion with anything other than derision, scorn, or name-calling) Believe it, or not, Saul, but some opinions actually do come from a personal sense of truth that has developed outside those norms of social conformity which you take for granted. And concerning such attachment to a personal sense of truth, the word "integrity" is properly applied. ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/c?cp=0AhWX7XJ3gCY678eXZkowwAAJz6c l_zTaptgNR5c8Mer1v9kAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= --
