> We can never  fully know what a bad means is, or how much bad is in any
means or how much does it take to produce a bad end, etc., etc.  The if-then
proposition is only good within carefully defined, highly limited parameters.
(WC)

Agreed.

Which is why I didn't present an if-then proposition, but only said "Self
indulgence... is incompatible with  the pursuit of any kind of excellence."

And as I suggested, this does introduce a critique of the  "liberation from
value b political, aesthetic, moral." in the contemporary art world and art
education.

Mimesis, on the other hand, has been quite compatible with a pursuit of
excellence, and  mimetic success was offered as an important achievement in
the author's commentary to the HBO series, "The Wire", where both police and
drug runners  were quoted as acknowledging it as true-to-life.

 Which is  a very demanding standard.

Far  more demanding than "we had fun making it" which was Derek Jarman's
evaluation of his film about Caravaggio.

And even if you prefer  the Derek Jarman film - wouldn't you still say that
his commentary  helps to explain your preference?





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