It's very hard to deal with this skill issue.  I'm guessing that all of us 
here, artists, writers, architects, designers, and so forth, were well trained 
in skills associated with our endeavors and see them as necessary to our work. 
What do we say about those who have never been trained in those skills, who 
purposely reject them,  but who have had all the success or achievement we 
would think required such skills?  What do you say to someone who intends to be 
an artist, or who claims to be an artist, but who also rejects the usual skIlls 
as necessary?  (By saying skills I mean to include the associated knowledge and 
concepts).  Since Duchamp, the artist can be one who simply points or 
appropriates art. As Duchamp did, as Warhol did, as Koons does, calling oneself 
an artist is sufficient validity to justify any act or thought as art. This 
issue has been talked to death, I know, but when it comes to listing the 
skills, knowledge, concepts that should be
 central to artists' training, it's impossible to know what to include, what to 
exclude.  In that way, art curricula are groundless, or tepidly traditional as 
if modernism didn't happen, unlike most other disciplines where certain 
foundational competencies are essential to higher level achievement.

  Maybe art training should simply be a given number of courses without any 
specific requirements and degrees therefore representing quantified study and 
not any particular skills, knowledge, concepts.  I think this is the case in 
reality but not recognized by what an art degree supposedly represents -- 
certain skills, knowledge, abilities, etc., unique to the field and to 
"artists".   In other words, what myth does the art degree sustain and what 
myth encapsulates the title, artist?  

Can you imagine a degree in physics, or any other lab science that required no 
basic calculus?
Can you imagine a degree in English that required no reading skills?
Can you imagine a degree in philosophy that required no skill in logic?
Can you imagine a degree in History that required no chronology of events, 
salient or not? 

Why can we imagine a degree in art practice that requires no fundamental skills 
in basic media and does not rank their value against any possible media, that 
requires no knowledge of art history, that sets no standards of excellence 
beyond the whims of individual instructors, that requires no survey of the 
philosophy of art, that substitutes snippets of arcane art theory (French and 
Continental) for general liberal arts. 

 Don't you find it curious that the typical advanced art degree student, and 
MFA grad, can babble a little about French art theory but can't say a word 
about epistemology, a syllogistic logic, or recite a basic chronology of art 
history, let alone world history, and hasn't read anything and can't write a 
coherent sentence --- and has no drawing skills above amateurish doodling?

Such people are legion, believe me. There are tens of thousands of MFAs out 
there who match that profile and some of them are teaching art. More and more 
PhDs in studio practice are appearing.   Is this all bad?  I don't know and am 
actually inclined to say it's not -- as far as art itself is concerned -- 
because so much wonderful art is being made.  

 But it might be bad for art education.  Should art education or training be 
ahead of the curve, aiming for the next step in art, or with the curve, being 
fashionable and timely, or behind the curve, being more about tradition and 
depth?  Almost all degree programs aim to be ahead of the curve or at the 
curve; only the most traditional, usually private vocational programs) aim for 
the historical model). And trying to do it all results in contradictory 
curricula that undercut any effort to establish fundamentals and leads to empty 
degrees ( degrees that confirm nothing essential to the field).

Maybe the old Art Students League model is best after all.  No set curricula, 
no administrative assessments, no degrees, just good teaching by established 
artists, chosen by students, not assigned to them. But no artists from the 
League would obtain cushy tenure track jobs in today's art academia. 

wc



----- Original Message ----
From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]; [email protected]
Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 6:26:06 AM
Subject: Re: Physician, heal thyself

In a message dated 3/13/10 2:16:47 AM, [email protected] writes:


> There is nothing to prove. Look at professional dancers, musicians, 
> writers if
> you can't see it in our field.
> 

I'll buy the dancers and musicians as having learned and professional 
habits. But Conger said skill sets or talents that are universal to those who 
claim to be artists and learned and professional habits are not universal.
Kate Sullivan

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