Eloquence and articulateness should also engage substance in the way clothing 
looks better on a person than it does on a hangar.  I like Erwin Panofsky's 
idea 
that form and idea (subject, for him) must be interrelated so that one requires 
the other with the result being content.  Now, putting aside for the moment 
that 
for Panofsky content was something "out there" to be recreated by perception, 
his insistence that it required a blend of form and idea is apt when regarding 
it as an analogy for the blend of eloquence/articulateness and substance of 
communication.

I also have no patience for little axioms that have nothing to do with facts 
and 
truth even when -- especially when -- they are more about pretense than acuity. 
 The first thing to be determined about a falling off of practice is to decide 
what practice is.  In art history we see a continuing redefining of practice, 
often accompanied by an expansion of practice enabled by economics, beliefs, 
and 
certainly, technology.  What was once a concentrated genre of art practice, 
say, 
the use of fresco, is little done today imply because other forms of 
architecturally embedded imagery are superior in several ways and more quickly 
made.  Many other examples, some technological and some more aligned with a 
kind 
of meta-discourse regarding the evolution of societal customs, can be measured 
by noting how art practice changes.  Guiltily, I offer a handy  Emersonian 
axiom. "For every gain there is a loss."

Simply on the basis of ever increasing populations in both developed and 
undeveloped societies, one can safely say that art practice is also increasing. 
 For less global but perhaps more concrete evidence it's easy to show that 
enrollment in art schools and similar skill-practice fields is now at an 
all-time high. 

The one period in western art when one might argue that there was a sustained 
falling off of practice was the period from about 300-700 AD.  The skills for 
naturalist depiction developed by the Romans from Greek models were put aside 
in 
favor of more symbolic, abstract, even grotesque imagery to the extent that 
know-how for naturalism was nearly lost.  But the aim changed from imagery of a 
real world to imagery of a spiritual world and so the depiction had to grope 
for 
a new practice.  Even here one would be hard pressed to say the change was 
really a falling off instead of a quest for innovative form to suit a new 
subject.

Principles are, I suppose, distillations of theory.  In western art, theory has 
always been tied to practice and more and more the connection has been prodded 
by the desire for innovation.  That mirrors the nature of western culture as a 
whole for at least two thousand years. When the talking about 
theory(princIples) 
stops, so does practice; when the practice changes so does theory.  The saying 
in question is completely worthless, specious, crude, dumb and an 
embarrassment, 
enticing only to fools. 
wc
 


----- Original Message ----
From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Fri, October 1, 2010 5:12:55 PM
Subject: Re: is aesthetics dead?

In a message dated 9/30/10 5:40:41 AM, [email protected] cites a George 
Gissing quote:

> Principles always become a matter of vehement discussion when practice is 
> at ebb. 
> 
The sentence has a nice roll, but why believe it? Forget "proof", let's 
settle for persuasion. For me, Gissing would have to describe persuasively his 
notions of "practice at an ebb" and "vehement discussions of principle" (in 
general? just in aesthetics?). 

Then Gissing would have to cite, say, three extended periods when  
"practice was at an ebb" and vehement discussions abounded -- i.e. historical 
conditions that corroborated his theory. However, I'd also want evidence that 
he'd done the duly diligent thing of looking for data that contradicted his 
theory -- i.e. have there been periods in history when, say, practice was at an 
ebb but there also was no vehement discussion of principle? And vice versa: 
loads of discussion at the same time as loads of practice? 

Beware of the eloquent, the articulate. Those traits no more bespeak a 
pertinent intelligence and dependability than a handsome face and an Ivy League 
degree.

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