On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 11:39 PM, joseph berg <[email protected]> wrote:

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>  On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 5:57 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> I agree with William about the "subjectivity" of art. There is no
>> absolute,
>> mind-independent, ontic "quality" of "artness" up in Plato's heaven. Even
>> those who have been sufficiently involved in a genre to be called
>> "sophisticated" can disagree in their response to works in that genre.
>> The variety of
>> sensibility can be startling. It's astonishing how many highly literate
>> people profess disgust at Shakespeare.
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>> For me, the most interesting inquiry in aesthetics continues to be focused
>> on what I'll call the "aesthetic experience". I know even that phrase will
>> be disputed and rejected by some. But I'm fairly firm about saying I know
>> it
>> when I feel it. I'm convinced there are those who all their lives read
>> poetry, visit visual-art museums, listen to music, but who fail in one or
>> more of
>> the genres ever to have an "aesthetic experience". One can encounter a
>> bemused blankness when trying to convey what an "a.e." is like. It is
>> roughly
>> comparable to trying to convey the feeling of an orgasm in sex to those
>> who've
>> never had one. I've known warm people who have willingly indulged in
>> sexual
>> play all their lives (It's friendly! It's "nice"!) but who persuasively
>> report they have never reached orgasm.
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> Do you feel that an a.e. is supposed to be cathartic, i.e., provide a kind
> of purge?
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- Shallow sorrows and shallow loves live on. The loves and sorrows that are
great are destroyed by their own plenitude.

Oscar Wilde

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