Gissing defines art or creativity as if it were applied art. Applied art is art practice that fits specified rules and ideals or goals. That's the opposite of creative art making.
wc ----- Original Message ---- From: joseph berg <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, July 27, 2012 3:01:04 AM Subject: Re: is list dead? On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 4:30 AM, William Conger <[email protected]>wrote: > Yes, but only in the sense of diverting discussion from aesthetic ideas. > Why do > you say ideals? That implies that the nature of the aesthetic is > recognized and > understood and that the role of aesthetic inquiry is simply to mark the > best > path to those ideals. I don't think it's clear what ideals, if any, are > aesthetic or if the aesthetic is a process instead of a route to an > idealized > goal. > wc > In order to serve as a model and as a basis for judgment, ideals need to be created. To paraphrase George Gissing: - Principles [and ideas] always become a matter of vehement discussion when practice [and ideals are] at ebb. Not by taking thought does one become an artist, or grow even an inch in that direction--which is not at all the same as saying that he who is an artist cannot profit by conscious effort. http://books.google.com/books?id=b9ZwZrQqRJIC&pg=PA22&lpg=PA22&dq=Principles+ always+become+a+matter+of+vehement+discussion+when+practice+is+at+ebb.+Not+by +taking+thought+does+one+become+an+artist,&source=bl&ots=9trY7e6QdP&sig=ztFzx -ZpFlaeT7sMqwB5z3cU3UU&hl=en&ei=81mkTJjFPIqKtgOntZH-DQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct =result&resnum=1&ved=0CBEQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Principles%20always%20become%20a %20matter%20of%20vehement%20discussion%20when%20practice%20is%20at%20ebb.%20N ot%20by%20taking%20thought%20does%20one%20become%20an%20artist%2C&f=false
