"A storyteller is like someone who gives you money in the hope you'll buy with
it roughly what he'd want you to."



On Aug 13, 2012, at 7:03 PM, William Conger wrote:

> This complexity issue urges me to mention again the new book by Jonathan
> Gottschall, The Storytelling Animal.  There's much in this book that relates
to
> our current and past conversations about neurology and mirror neurons,
> psychoanalysis, and social science.  Gottschall relates all these topics to
> storytelling.  I'll just mention his idea about description:  He says that
we
> will fill in context when given a bit of description.  When authors over
> describe they effectively turn off the reader because what readers want to
do,
> and are set up to do evolutionarily, is to imagine, to create a story.  I've
> certainly tried to express the same idea (and I know it's not a new idea)
when I
> say that we are compelled to invent a narrative, or story, for any
experience,
> including visual experience of seemingly random or irrational or
'meaningless'
> images.  Gottschall mentions an experiment where people are given utterly
> random, made up, nonsense sentences arranged in paragraph form.  They will
> invent a story with these sentences.  When I make a 'meaningless' abstract
> painting, I insist that viewers will create interpretations, stories, about
it.
> I, too, do the same when I make the painting.  My title suggests, purposely
> very vaguely, the story that came to me.  I think the viewer will -- with
> sincere looking -- eventually create a story that converges with my own.  we
> create similar meanings or narratives.  I think the same thing occurs in
> fiction.  The author needs to be careful not to over-describe or insist on a
> particular narrative.  again, the engagement we love with stories is to how
it
> enlivens our own imagination within the context provided by the author.
> wc
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Tom McCormack <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Mon, August 13, 2012 11:26:35 AM
> Subject: Re: Complexity
>
> On Aug 12, 2012, at 7:07 PM, Michael Brady wrote:
>
>> By contrast, the New Testament parables are the polar opposite, the merest
>> sketches of a narrative with barely the sense of character, and thus are
> the
>> more memorable. Similarly, Athenian tragedies consisted of two or three
> actors
>> with masks and a chorus of commenators; the plays were more declaimed
> stories
>> with homilies than enacted narratives.
>
> The "characters" in Aesop's fables are comparable. They are for children.
>
> This is true of all "creative" writing where the thing was written to convey
a
> lesson. By me, such stories, "peopled" by crudely whittled wooden pawns,
are
> always unsatisfying.
>
> Note: though you'll notice occasional productions of plays from centuries
ago,
> you never see any of the Athenian tragedies. They are3 very hard for the
> modern sensibility to tolerate.
>
> Creative works today -- for film, stage, or print -- are the products of
> would-be alchemists employing memory, imagination and sensibility. Memory
and
> imagination abound, in countless people. The rarest of those three
qualities
> is sensibility.

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