In a message dated 8/31/12 8:10:35 AM, [email protected] writes:

> As has been often pointed put,Joseph doesn't seem clear himself on what
> he was talking about.
> 
Alas, he is not alone at that. All the more reason for other listers to try 
to make clear what THEY are "talking about". Simply repeating his ambiguous 
phrase -- e.g. "Aesthetic Ideal" -- with no description of their intended 
notion, is not a good idea.

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