I've know many Great Ostrows in my long life of 90 years,but you are the first one that really stands out in my mind,
mando On Dec 24, 2013, at 8:19 AM, saul ostrow wrote: > I was hoping that this would even be accessible to a fool like me - > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 24, 2013, at 2:06 AM, armando baeza <[email protected]> wrote: > >> NICE GUYS LIKE YOU ARE ARE HIGHLY RESPECTED. >> AB >> >> On Dec 23, 2013, at 8:27 PM, saul ostrow wrote: >> >>> So it's fool >>> Proof >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Dec 23, 2013, at 11:07 PM, armando baeza <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Most creative people do. And that is one "why". >>>> mando >>>> On Dec 23, 2013, at 8:01 PM, saul ostrow wrote: >>>> >>>>> so I unconsciously seek it >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 11:00 PM, armando baeza <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Your memory knows where you are and when to award you with an A,E. serendipiously. >>>>> mando >>>>> On Dec 23, 2013, at 7:40 PM, saul ostrow wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> poetic - but I have yet to meet an experience looking for me >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 8:26 PM, armando baeza <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> One does not discover an aesthetic experience,It discovers you, And one never know it will happened till it happens, but it is always connected to some forgotten Memory. >>>>>> mando >>>>>> >>>>>> On Dec 23, 2013, at 3:22 PM, saul ostrow wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> > If this were true creativity would be little more than a habitual act a mere routine rather than a process of discovery >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> > >>>>>> >> On Dec 23, 2013, at 5:47 PM, armando baeza <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> I think it has everything with the Experience in the process of creating,which >>>>>> >> is >>>>>> >> where all of one's memory exists. >>>>>> >> ab >>>>>> >>> On Dec 23, 2013, at 1:52 PM, saul ostrow wrote: >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Again these evaluations have little to do with experience (sensation) which >>>>>> >>> lies in the realm of perception (impression) and cognition (object >>>>>> >>> formation). >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> On Dec 23, 2013, at 1:31 PM, armando baeza <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> Yes, from extremely beautiful to extremely ugly,yet any thing in between >>>>>> >>>> may have both qualities from which one my sense beauty and another >>>>>> >>>> may sense ugly,then we have the others, that wait to see what others are >>>>>> >>>> sensing. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> mando >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>> On Dec 23, 2013, at 10:16 AM, William Conger wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Or downright scary. Or disgusting. Or deadly...like the last moment of >>>>>> >>>> life >>>>>> >>>>> as one is shot. >>>>>> >>>>> wc >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>> From: saul ostrow >>>>>> >>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>> To: "[email protected]" >>>>>> >>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>> Cc: "[email protected]" >>>>>> >>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 12:03 PM >>>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: Aesthetic experience >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> One more observation - why is assumed >>>>>> >>>>> here that a.e. Is a pleasurable >>>>>> >>>>> experience rrather than one that is merely >>>>>> >>>>> transformative - or something other >>>>>> >>>>> than common >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec >>>>>> >>>>>> 23, 2013, at 12:13 PM, [email protected] wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> In a message dated >>>>>> >>>>> 12/21/13 4:48:45 PM, [email protected] writes: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Don't we then get into >>>>>> >>>>> classifying different types of experience and >>>>>> >>>>>>> discussing why they are >>>>>> >>>>> different, and isn't that another way of asking >>>>>> >>>>>>> the question:what is an >>>>>> >>>>> aesthetic experience ? >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> The best any of us can do is try to indicate what >>>>>> >>>>> we CALL an "aesthetic >>>>>> >>>>>> experience". When I hear/read/see certain specific >>>>>> >>>>> stimuli, I experience >>>>>> >>>>> what >>>>>> >>>>>> strikes me as a sui generis feeling. I call it an >>>>>> >>>>> "aesthetic experience", >>>>>> >>>>> an >>>>>> >>>>>> "a.e.". For example, I read lots of poetry; >>>>>> >>>>> most of it leaves me cold; >>>>>> >>>>> but >>>>>> >>>>>> the rare, cherishable poem occasions in me an >>>>>> >>>>> "a.e.". What's strange and >>>>>> >>>>>> interesting to me is that other unmistably >>>>>> >>>>> distinct stimuli -- moments in >>>>>> >>>>>> dance, paintings, music, drama -- can also >>>>>> >>>>> occasion in me feelings that -- >>>>>> >>>>>> despite the vast difference in the genres -- >>>>>> >>>>> also strike me as >>>>>> >>>>> unquestionably >>>>>> >>>>>> "aesthetic experiences". >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Why? What the >>>>>> >>>>> hell is going on when I get that a.e. feeling? I should say >>>>>> >>>>>> "going on IN >>>>>> >>>>> ME", because it's obvious not all people react as I do. It >>>>>> >>>>> also >>>>>> >>>>>> from time to >>>>>> >>>>> time seems to me that other people, people of sincerity and >>>>>> >>>>>> sophistication, >>>>>> >>>>> are experiencing a feeling of the sort I call an 'a.e.' as >>>>>> >>>>>> they >>>>>> >>>>>> are >>>>>> >>>>> contemplating a stimulus that is leaving me cold. All of these >>>>>> >>>>>> varieties of >>>>>> >>>>> experience would have to be accounted for in an aesthetic >>>>>> >>>>> theory >>>>>> >>>>>> for it >>>>>> >>>>>> to >>>>>> >>>>> be persuasive to me. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> <image.png> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> <image.png>
