That is not a true statement, and you know it! ab On Dec 26, 2013, at 2:54 PM, saul ostrow wrote:
> I'm seldom here and have shown you more respect than you have shown me - > > > On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 2:51 PM, armando baeza <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Sorry, Saul, I have sculpture to do, and you need friends >> that understand you. So long to this group most of which >> has been fun for me. even when you cut them off. >> >> mando >> >> On Dec 25, 2013, at 10:28 PM, saul ostrow wrote: >> >>> Personally I only have spirit soul >>> Seems so hollow >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Dec 26, 2013, at 1:03 AM, armando baeza <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>>> >>>> If indifference is in your soul ,indifference is what you will get . >>>> >>>> mando >>>>> On Dec 25, 2013, at 9:31 PM, saul ostrow wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Where's the kanthan indifference in this >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Dec 25, 2013, at 11:44 PM, armando baeza <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> If that is what experience likes as a'e,that's is your reward. >>>>>> >>>>>> ab >>>>>>> On Dec 25, 2013, at 7:00 PM, saul ostrow wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So it doesn't seek me - I have to work for it - and if lucky as a >> reward I get the pentimento of some prior experience >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 25, 2013, at 6:50 PM, armando baeza <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The act of creating, spins the Memory wheel of fortune which will >> award you with an A;E, if you are lucky. If it fails, blame your >> memory. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> mando >>>>>>>>> On Dec 25, 2013, at 1:12 PM, saul ostrow wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I thought being open to such experiences would >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Dec 25, 2013, at 4:02 PM, armando baeza <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> One problem, create something that may attract them . >>>>>>>>>> ab >>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 24, 2013, at 1:21 PM, saul ostrow wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Probably a different bloodline - the great ones are probably >> Polish rather >>>>>>>>>>> than Ukrainian - but this matters little I will now sit and >> wait for my >>>>>>>>>>> unconscious to attract an A.E. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 24, 2013, at 3:47 PM, armando baeza < >> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've know many Great Ostrows in my long life of 90 years,but >> you are >>>>>>>>>>>> the first one that really stands out in my mind, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> mando >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 24, 2013, at 8:19 AM, saul ostrow wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I was hoping that this would even be accessible to a fool like >> me - >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 24, 2013, at 2:06 AM, armando baeza < >> [email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> NICE GUYS LIKE YOU ARE ARE HIGHLY RESPECTED. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> AB >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 23, 2013, at 8:27 PM, saul ostrow wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So it's fool >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Proof >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 23, 2013, at 11:07 PM, armando baeza < >> [email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most creative people do. And that is one "why". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mando >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 23, 2013, at 8:01 PM, saul ostrow wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so I unconsciously seek it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 11:00 PM, armando baeza >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your memory knows where you are and when to award you with >> an A,E. >>>>>>>>>>>> serendipiously. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mando >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 23, 2013, at 7:40 PM, saul ostrow wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> poetic - but I have yet to meet an experience looking for >> me >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 8:26 PM, armando baeza >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One does not discover an aesthetic experience,It >> discovers you, And >>>>>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>>>>> never know it will happened till it happens, but it is always >> connected >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> some forgotten Memory. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mando >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 23, 2013, at 3:22 PM, saul ostrow wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If this were true creativity would be little more than a >> habitual >>>>>>>>>>> act >>>>>>>>>>>> a mere routine rather than a process of discovery >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 23, 2013, at 5:47 PM, armando baeza < >> [email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it has everything with the Experience in the >> process of >>>>>>>>>>>> creating,which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where all of one's memory exists. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ab >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 23, 2013, at 1:52 PM, saul ostrow wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Again these evaluations have little to do with >> experience >>>>>>>>>>>> (sensation) which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lies in the realm of perception (impression) and >> cognition >>>>>>>>>> (object >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> formation). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 23, 2013, at 1:31 PM, armando baeza >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, from extremely beautiful to extremely ugly,yet >> any thing in >>>>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may have both qualities from which one my sense >> beauty and >>>>>>>>>>>> another >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may sense ugly,then we have the others, that wait to >> see what >>>>>>>>>>>> others are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sensing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mando >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 23, 2013, at 10:16 AM, William Conger wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or downright scary. Or disgusting. Or deadly...like >> the last >>>>>>>>>>>> moment of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as one is shot. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wc >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: saul ostrow >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "[email protected]" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: "[email protected]" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 12:03 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Aesthetic experience >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One more observation - why is assumed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here that a.e. Is a pleasurable >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience rrather than one that is merely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transformative - or something other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than common >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 23, 2013, at 12:13 PM, [email protected] wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In a message dated >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12/21/13 4:48:45 PM, [email protected] writes: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't we then get into >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> classifying different types of experience and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussing why they are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different, and isn't that another way of asking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the question:what is an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aesthetic experience ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The best any of us can do is try to indicate what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we CALL an "aesthetic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience". When I hear/read/see certain specific >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stimuli, I experience >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strikes me as a sui generis feeling. I call it an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "aesthetic experience", >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "a.e.". For example, I read lots of poetry; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most of it leaves me cold; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the rare, cherishable poem occasions in me an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "a.e.". What's strange and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting to me is that other unmistably >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distinct stimuli -- moments in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dance, paintings, music, drama -- can also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occasion in me feelings that -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> despite the vast difference in the genres -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also strike me as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unquestionably >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "aesthetic experiences". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why? What the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hell is going on when I get that a.e. feeling? I >> should say >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "going on IN >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ME", because it's obvious not all people react as I >> do. It >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from time to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time seems to me that other people, people of >> sincerity and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sophistication, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are experiencing a feeling of the sort I call an >> 'a.e.' as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contemplating a stimulus that is leaving me cold. >> All of these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> varieties of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience would have to be accounted for in an >> aesthetic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theory >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be persuasive to me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <image.png> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <image.png> >>>> >> >> > > > -- > > [image: Inline image 1] > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of image.png]
