I've know many Great Ostrows in my long life of 90 years,but you are
the first one that really stands out in my mind,

mando


On Dec 24, 2013, at 8:19 AM, saul ostrow wrote:

> I was hoping that this would even be accessible to a fool like me -
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 24, 2013, at 2:06 AM, armando baeza <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> NICE GUYS LIKE YOU ARE ARE HIGHLY RESPECTED.
>> AB
>>
>> On Dec 23, 2013, at 8:27 PM, saul ostrow wrote:
>>
>>> So it's fool
>>> Proof
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Dec 23, 2013, at 11:07 PM, armando baeza <[email protected]>
wrote:
>>>
>>>> Most creative people do. And that is one  "why".
>>>> mando
>>>> On Dec 23, 2013, at 8:01 PM, saul ostrow wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> so I unconsciously seek it
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 11:00 PM, armando baeza <[email protected]>
wrote:
>>>>> Your memory knows where you are and when to award you with an A,E.
serendipiously.
>>>>> mando
>>>>> On Dec 23, 2013, at 7:40 PM, saul ostrow wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> poetic - but I have yet to meet an experience looking for me
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 8:26 PM, armando baeza <[email protected]>
wrote:
>>>>>> One does not discover an aesthetic experience,It discovers you, And one
never know it  will happened till it happens, but it is always connected to
some forgotten Memory.
>>>>>> mando
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 23, 2013, at 3:22 PM, saul ostrow wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > If this were true creativity would be little more than a habitual act
a mere routine rather than a process of discovery
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> On Dec 23, 2013, at 5:47 PM, armando baeza <[email protected]>
wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> I think it has everything with the Experience in the process of
creating,which
>>>>>> >> is
>>>>>> >> where all of one's memory exists.
>>>>>> >> ab
>>>>>> >>> On Dec 23, 2013, at 1:52 PM, saul ostrow wrote:
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> Again these evaluations have little to do with experience
(sensation) which
>>>>>> >>> lies in the realm of perception (impression) and cognition (object
>>>>>> >>> formation).
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> On Dec 23, 2013, at 1:31 PM, armando baeza <[email protected]>
wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Yes, from extremely beautiful to extremely ugly,yet any thing in
between
>>>>>> >>>> may have both qualities from which one my sense beauty and
another
>>>>>> >>>> may sense ugly,then we have the others, that wait to see what
others are
>>>>>> >>>> sensing.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> mando
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> On Dec 23, 2013, at 10:16 AM, William Conger wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> Or downright scary. Or disgusting.  Or deadly...like the last
moment of
>>>>>> >>>> life
>>>>>> >>>>> as one is shot.
>>>>>> >>>>> wc
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>> >>>>> From: saul ostrow
>>>>>> >>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>>>> >>>>> To: "[email protected]"
>>>>>> >>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>>>> >>>>> Cc: "[email protected]"
>>>>>> >>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>>>> >>>>> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 12:03 PM
>>>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: Aesthetic experience
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> One more observation - why is assumed
>>>>>> >>>>> here that a.e. Is a pleasurable
>>>>>> >>>>> experience rrather than one that is merely
>>>>>> >>>>> transformative - or something other
>>>>>> >>>>> than common
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec
>>>>>> >>>>>> 23, 2013, at 12:13 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> In a message dated
>>>>>> >>>>> 12/21/13 4:48:45 PM, [email protected] writes:
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> Don't  we then get into
>>>>>> >>>>> classifying different types of experience and
>>>>>> >>>>>>> discussing why they are
>>>>>> >>>>> different, and isn't that another way of asking
>>>>>> >>>>>>> the question:what is an
>>>>>> >>>>> aesthetic experience ?
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> The best any of us can do is try to indicate what
>>>>>> >>>>> we CALL an "aesthetic
>>>>>> >>>>>> experience". When I hear/read/see certain specific
>>>>>> >>>>> stimuli, I experience
>>>>>> >>>>> what
>>>>>> >>>>>> strikes me as a sui generis feeling. I call it an
>>>>>> >>>>> "aesthetic experience",
>>>>>> >>>>> an
>>>>>> >>>>>> "a.e.". For example, I read lots of poetry;
>>>>>> >>>>> most of it leaves me cold;
>>>>>> >>>>> but
>>>>>> >>>>>> the rare, cherishable poem occasions in me an
>>>>>> >>>>> "a.e.".   What's strange and
>>>>>> >>>>>> interesting to me is that other unmistably
>>>>>> >>>>> distinct stimuli -- moments in
>>>>>> >>>>>> dance, paintings, music, drama -- can also
>>>>>> >>>>> occasion in me feelings that --
>>>>>> >>>>>> despite the vast difference in the genres --
>>>>>> >>>>> also strike me as
>>>>>> >>>>> unquestionably
>>>>>> >>>>>> "aesthetic experiences".
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> Why? What the
>>>>>> >>>>> hell is going on when I get that a.e. feeling? I should say
>>>>>> >>>>>> "going on IN
>>>>>> >>>>> ME", because it's obvious not all people react as I do. It
>>>>>> >>>>> also
>>>>>> >>>>>> from time to
>>>>>> >>>>> time seems to me that other people, people of sincerity and
>>>>>> >>>>>> sophistication,
>>>>>> >>>>> are experiencing a feeling of the sort I call an 'a.e.' as
>>>>>> >>>>>> they
>>>>>> >>>>>> are
>>>>>> >>>>> contemplating a stimulus that is leaving me cold. All of these
>>>>>> >>>>>> varieties of
>>>>>> >>>>> experience would have to be accounted for in an aesthetic
>>>>>> >>>>> theory
>>>>>> >>>>>> for it
>>>>>> >>>>>> to
>>>>>> >>>>> be persuasive to me.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <image.png>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> <image.png>

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