Sorry, Saul, I have sculpture to do, and you need friends that understand you. So long to this group most of which has been fun for me. even when you cut them off.
mando On Dec 25, 2013, at 10:28 PM, saul ostrow wrote: > Personally I only have spirit soul > Seems so hollow > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 26, 2013, at 1:03 AM, armando baeza <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> If indifference is in your soul ,indifference is what you will get . >> >> mando >>> On Dec 25, 2013, at 9:31 PM, saul ostrow wrote: >>> >>> Where's the kanthan indifference in this >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Dec 25, 2013, at 11:44 PM, armando baeza <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> If that is what experience likes as a'e,that's is your reward. >>>> >>>> ab >>>>> On Dec 25, 2013, at 7:00 PM, saul ostrow wrote: >>>>> >>>>> So it doesn't seek me - I have to work for it - and if lucky as a reward I get the pentimento of some prior experience >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Dec 25, 2013, at 6:50 PM, armando baeza <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> The act of creating, spins the Memory wheel of fortune which will award you with an A;E, if you are lucky. If it fails, blame your memory. >>>>>> >>>>>> mando >>>>>>> On Dec 25, 2013, at 1:12 PM, saul ostrow wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I thought being open to such experiences would >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 25, 2013, at 4:02 PM, armando baeza <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> One problem, create something that may attract them . >>>>>>>> ab >>>>>>>>> On Dec 24, 2013, at 1:21 PM, saul ostrow wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Probably a different bloodline - the great ones are probably Polish rather >>>>>>>>> than Ukrainian - but this matters little I will now sit and wait for my >>>>>>>>> unconscious to attract an A.E. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Dec 24, 2013, at 3:47 PM, armando baeza <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I've know many Great Ostrows in my long life of 90 years,but you are >>>>>>>>>> the first one that really stands out in my mind, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> mando >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 24, 2013, at 8:19 AM, saul ostrow wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I was hoping that this would even be accessible to a fool like me - >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 24, 2013, at 2:06 AM, armando baeza <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> NICE GUYS LIKE YOU ARE ARE HIGHLY RESPECTED. >>>>>>>>>>>> AB >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 23, 2013, at 8:27 PM, saul ostrow wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So it's fool >>>>>>>>>>>>> Proof >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 23, 2013, at 11:07 PM, armando baeza <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most creative people do. And that is one "why". >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mando >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 23, 2013, at 8:01 PM, saul ostrow wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so I unconsciously seek it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 11:00 PM, armando baeza >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your memory knows where you are and when to award you with an A,E. >>>>>>>>>> serendipiously. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mando >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 23, 2013, at 7:40 PM, saul ostrow wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> poetic - but I have yet to meet an experience looking for me >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 8:26 PM, armando baeza >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One does not discover an aesthetic experience,It discovers you, And >>>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>>> never know it will happened till it happens, but it is always connected >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> some forgotten Memory. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mando >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 23, 2013, at 3:22 PM, saul ostrow wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If this were true creativity would be little more than a habitual >>>>>>>>> act >>>>>>>>>> a mere routine rather than a process of discovery >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 23, 2013, at 5:47 PM, armando baeza <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it has everything with the Experience in the process of >>>>>>>>>> creating,which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where all of one's memory exists. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ab >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 23, 2013, at 1:52 PM, saul ostrow wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Again these evaluations have little to do with experience >>>>>>>>>> (sensation) which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lies in the realm of perception (impression) and cognition >>>>>>>> (object >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> formation). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 23, 2013, at 1:31 PM, armando baeza >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, from extremely beautiful to extremely ugly,yet any thing in >>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may have both qualities from which one my sense beauty and >>>>>>>>>> another >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may sense ugly,then we have the others, that wait to see what >>>>>>>>>> others are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sensing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mando >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 23, 2013, at 10:16 AM, William Conger wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or downright scary. Or disgusting. Or deadly...like the last >>>>>>>>>> moment of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as one is shot. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wc >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: saul ostrow >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "[email protected]" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: "[email protected]" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 12:03 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Aesthetic experience >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One more observation - why is assumed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here that a.e. Is a pleasurable >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience rrather than one that is merely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transformative - or something other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than common >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 23, 2013, at 12:13 PM, [email protected] wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In a message dated >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12/21/13 4:48:45 PM, [email protected] writes: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't we then get into >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> classifying different types of experience and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussing why they are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different, and isn't that another way of asking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the question:what is an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aesthetic experience ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The best any of us can do is try to indicate what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we CALL an "aesthetic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience". When I hear/read/see certain specific >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stimuli, I experience >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strikes me as a sui generis feeling. I call it an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "aesthetic experience", >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "a.e.". For example, I read lots of poetry; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most of it leaves me cold; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the rare, cherishable poem occasions in me an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "a.e.". What's strange and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting to me is that other unmistably >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distinct stimuli -- moments in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dance, paintings, music, drama -- can also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occasion in me feelings that -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> despite the vast difference in the genres -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also strike me as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unquestionably >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "aesthetic experiences". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why? What the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hell is going on when I get that a.e. feeling? I should say >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "going on IN >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ME", because it's obvious not all people react as I do. It >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from time to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time seems to me that other people, people of sincerity and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sophistication, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are experiencing a feeling of the sort I call an 'a.e.' as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contemplating a stimulus that is leaving me cold. All of these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> varieties of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience would have to be accounted for in an aesthetic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theory >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be persuasive to me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <image.png> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <image.png>
