I just saw mine somewhere recently.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 6:32:02 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Dear WISPA... Yeahbut, WISPA did not have a cool copper coin to give you when you joined... From: Sean Heskett Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 1:31 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Members ; Claude Aiken ; ch...@allpointsbroadband.com ; bo...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Dear WISPA... Hi Ben, That is my main point. when i first heard about the lawsuit i didn't think much of it because competitors sometimes sue each other and they are both big companies and big companies usually build risks like that into their business models. When i dug further into the lawsuit and saw that Ubiquiti was going after a WISP and a distributor for conspiracy charges that's when all kinds of alarm bells went off because that is a whole other ball of wax. If you look at the WISPA founding docs (I included some of them with my original post) you will see that WISPA was partly formed to bring unity and harmony to our industry. At the time of formation we had WISPs fighting neighboring WISPs and generally giving our industry a bad name and the optics were awful. WISPA really helped bring the community together and we learned how to share spectrum and we all jumped in a helped each other solve problems and design solutions. That is the WISPA I joined and love. Ubiquiti filing this lawsuit alleging conspiracy to hack goes directly against all that we have worked for over the years. And if a vendor member is going to treat a WISP member this way then what's next? Are WISPs going to start fighting each other again and file idiotic lawsuits where no one wins. We have A LOT of external battles to fight with competition, government, regulation, the FCC etc. We don't need to be fighting against each other and that is a core principal of WISPA. That's why I believe a "wait and see" approach is misguided. WISPA was created to help bring harmony and unity to all it's members. And if us WISP members are expected to treat each other nicely then the vendors better treat us the nicely too. 2 cents -sean On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 11:43 AM, Ben Royer < operati...@royell.net > wrote: I think that’s my biggest issue here also. Trying to be as unbiased in the matter as possible, the biggest issue I have is that they brought a Dist. and WISP into the lawsuit. I think if this was filed solely against Cambium, everyone would have gone, ‘oh, that’s interesting, wonder what’s going to happen.’ The second they included a Dist. and WISP, I have to think every decent minded WISP and Dist. out there is going, ‘Wait, they sued for that? I don’t think I want to associate to these people anymore because I don’t want to be next.’ I could be wrong, but I feel for the WISP especially in this case. I think to speak more to the call to WISPA to take action, my view is this. If I’m a WISP, and I join WISPA to better the community, a key component is I’m going to share my experience and expertise on certain things. It’s my understanding, that’s ALL this WISP did. They tried the product out, reported back to the company that sold it to them on how it performed, and then it was published. So for another company to come along and say, ‘Wait, you can’t use that product and you certainly can’t promote the use of that product’, seems to me is the EXACT opposite of what WISPA is about. It’s a VERY slippery slope they’ve opened up here. I’m sure the WISP involved isn’t going to publically participate in any more studies or open BETA programs. So you have to ask, what if people highly trust this WISP, what if a few other highly trusted WISP’s get the same treatment and shut down their open sharing of experience. Is our industry growing now? Is it benefiting from this? Just my opinion, but THAT’S to me, the biggest issue here. Thank you, Ben Royer, Operations Manager Royell Communications, Inc. 217-965-3699 www.royell.net From: Sean Heskett Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 9:35 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Dear WISPA... If ubiquiti want to go after cambium for copyright infringement then by all means go for it. But don’t drag Blip into conspiracy charges. It would seem WISPA could be a co-conspirator too On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 5:41 PM Mark Radabaugh < m...@amplex.net > wrote: <blockquote> That’s where I’m curious about the copyright and hacking claims. The loaders and many of the tools are open source and/or are supplied by the chipset manufacturer. Mark <blockquote> On Aug 15, 2018, at 5:52 PM, Mathew Howard < mhoward...@gmail.com > wrote: Yeah... it's not like you can just go download Openwrt, modify it as much as you want, without doing anything that even vaguely looks like hacking, and flash it on the things... On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 4:49 PM Seth Mattinen < se...@rollernet.us > wrote: <blockquote> On 8/15/18 14:39, Mike Hammett wrote: > https://www.denx.de/wiki/U-Boot > Clearly Cambium downloaded the source code for U-Boot and "hacked" UBNT's super secret hardware. 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