yeah i realize that Cameron realistically can't talk about the lawsuit while it's on-going - he could, but his bosses and the attorneys probably wouldn't like it...it's a civil case, not criminal case so there's actually no law barring a discussion, it would just be un-wise from a legal standpoint.
anyway, Cameron brought it up and I'm not going to let this go because it really chaps my hide. i'll shut up about it when Ubiquiti decides to actually do something good for our industry instead of trying to rip it apart. -sean On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 4:02 PM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > You do realize that people in lawsuits can't generally talk about them > while in progress? Don't you? > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us> > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> > *Sent: *Monday, September 17, 2018 4:36:36 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification > > Being as Ubiquiti has decided to go down the frivolous lawsuit path as > their business model i've decided to never use any Ubiquiti products or > services in my business model. > > The only way for me to change my business model to include Ubiquiti would > be for them to change their business model. > > Suing your customers and inflicting our industry with harm puts you > outside of my vendor list. > > Also saying "but if you want to talk about products or anything other than > the lawsuit, feel free to reach out to me privately." is kind of like Ford > in the 1970's saying "if you want to talk about anything else besides > exploding Pintos, feel free to reach out to me privately." The lawsuit is > both a symptom and a cause to problems at Ubiquiti and you can't just brush > the elephant in the room under the rug. > > 2 cents > > -Sean > > > > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 9:28 AM Cameron Crum <cc...@murcevilo.com> wrote: > >> In the interest of full disclosure, for those that don't know, and given >> the current environment, when I joined the group I had my own company >> (still do, just not doing much with it currently), but now also work for >> ubnt although I am not here to shill for them nor will I involve myself in >> discussions about them unless I see something grossly in error. I would >> actually rather keep that side of things separate from this group as I >> value the relationships here above any employment scenario. My job at ubnt >> is actually to engage with operators and try to find a better way to create >> and maintain relationships with them. I hope to take all the past failures >> and criticisms and present them with a plan on how to be better at that >> side of things. I actually prefer to hear the bad stuff as that is what I >> can use to help change things, hopefully. I don't want this to turn into a >> discussion about the company, but if you want to talk about products or >> anything other than the lawsuit, feel free to reach out to me privately. I >> just don't want to seem like the enemy lurker. >> >> Best, >> >> Cameron >> >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 10:11 AM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Likewise. I hope that he is lurking in incognito mode at least. >>> >>> >>> bp >>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>> >>> >>> On 9/15/2018 8:44 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: >>> >>> Yes, he is missed. >>> >>> On Saturday, September 15, 2018, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Harass, welcome. >>>> I hope for the day to see Ken Hohof show up. >>>> >>>> *From:* Mathew Howard >>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 5:58 PM >>>> *To:* AFMUG >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification >>>> >>>> Well, it would only be new lurkers that would get outed, I assume... >>>> but yeah, if all we're seeing is an email address, that can be pretty >>>> anonymous anyway. >>>> >>>> I'm not sure what good it would really do us though... other than give >>>> us an opportunity to harass new people. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 4:11 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Probably best to not out the lurkers. There are about 500 list >>>>> members but only about 10% post. >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Mathew Howard >>>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 3:03 PM >>>>> *To:* AFMUG >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification >>>>> >>>>> I assume most of the subscribers to this list never actually post >>>>> anything. It might be kind of interesting to see who's watching us... >>>>> >>>>> I imagine there are some people that wouldn't like it, but if they >>>>> aren't going to every post anything anyway, do we care? >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 3:52 PM David Coudron < >>>>> david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I think enough information is shared feely in this group to warrant >>>>>> folks being identified as recipients of the information. If I were >>>>>> signing up, I don’t think it would be unreasonable to be identified as >>>>>> being a part of the list given the value of the discussions on the list. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> David Coudron >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett >>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 3:34 PM >>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> A manufacturer rep might prefer to quietly lurk and observe....or a >>>>>> government rep. >>>>>> >>>>>> Nobody is entitled to privacy in a public forum, but I'm sure some >>>>>> would prefer it. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Adam >>>>>> >>>>>> On 9/14/2018 1:53 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> xx...@xxxx.xxx has been successfully subscribed to AF. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am thinking of posting this when new people join. >>>>>> >>>>>> Or do new list subscribers deserve to remain incognito until they out >>>>>> themselves? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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