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On Mon, Sep 17, 2018, 4:38 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
> Being as Ubiquiti has decided to go down the frivolous lawsuit path as
> their business model i've decided to never use any Ubiquiti products or
> services in my business model.
>
> The only way for me to change my business model to include Ubiquiti would
> be for them to change their business model.
>
> Suing your customers and inflicting our industry with harm puts you
> outside of my vendor list.
>
> Also saying "but if you want to talk about products or anything other than
> the lawsuit, feel free to reach out to me privately." is kind of like Ford
> in the 1970's saying "if you want to talk about anything else besides
> exploding Pintos, feel free to reach out to me privately." The lawsuit is
> both a symptom and a cause to problems at Ubiquiti and you can't just brush
> the elephant in the room under the rug.
>
> 2 cents
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 9:28 AM Cameron Crum <cc...@murcevilo.com> wrote:
>
>> In the interest of full disclosure, for those that don't know, and given
>> the current environment, when I joined the group I had my own company
>> (still do, just not doing much with it currently), but now also work for
>> ubnt although I am not here to shill for them nor will I involve myself in
>> discussions about them unless I see something grossly in error. I would
>> actually rather keep that side of things separate from this group as I
>> value the relationships here above any employment scenario. My job at ubnt
>> is actually to engage with operators and try to find a better way to create
>> and maintain relationships with them. I hope to take all the past failures
>> and criticisms and present them with a plan on how to be better at that
>> side of things. I actually prefer to hear the bad stuff as that is what I
>> can use to help change things, hopefully. I don't want this to turn into a
>> discussion about the company, but if you want to talk about products or
>> anything other than the lawsuit, feel free to reach out to me privately. I
>> just don't want to seem like the enemy lurker.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Cameron
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 10:11 AM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Likewise. I hope that he is lurking in incognito mode at least.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/15/2018 8:44 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, he is missed.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, September 15, 2018, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Harass, welcome.
>>>> I hope for the day to see Ken Hohof show up.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 5:58 PM
>>>> *To:* AFMUG
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification
>>>>
>>>> Well, it would only be new lurkers that would get outed, I assume...
>>>> but yeah, if all we're seeing is an email address, that can be pretty
>>>> anonymous anyway.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure what good it would really do us though... other than give
>>>> us an opportunity to harass new people.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 4:11 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Probably best to not out the lurkers. There are about 500 list
>>>>> members but only about 10% post.
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 3:03 PM
>>>>> *To:* AFMUG
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification
>>>>>
>>>>> I assume most of the subscribers to this list never actually post
>>>>> anything. It might be kind of interesting to see who's watching us...
>>>>>
>>>>> I imagine there are some people that wouldn't like it, but if they
>>>>> aren't going to every post anything anyway, do we care?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 3:52 PM David Coudron <
>>>>> david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think enough information is shared feely in this group to warrant
>>>>>> folks being identified as recipients of the information. If I were
>>>>>> signing up, I don’t think it would be unreasonable to be identified as
>>>>>> being a part of the list given the value of the discussions on the list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David Coudron
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 3:34 PM
>>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A manufacturer rep might prefer to quietly lurk and observe....or a
>>>>>> government rep.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nobody is entitled to privacy in a public forum, but I'm sure some
>>>>>> would prefer it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Adam
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/14/2018 1:53 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> xx...@xxxx.xxx has been successfully subscribed to AF.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am thinking of posting this when new people join.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or do new list subscribers deserve to remain incognito until they out
>>>>>> themselves?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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