LTE does a whole lot better than WiMax in the face of interference, for whatever that is worth (not much).
On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 6:59 PM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: > I’m not sure a 5 GHz LTE product makes sense, unless you’re talking > carrier aggregation and LAA. Otherwise I question the “magic” of “LTE > modulation”, once you try to use it in dirty spectrum. Oooooh, 256QAM. > Like we haven’t been doing that for years. I put it in the same category > as “3.65 GHz goes through trees”. Only if the noise floor is really low, > and then it’s not the “S” part of SNR, it’s the “N” part that’s magic. > > > > Maybe I’m missing something, but I’m not wanting to spend big bucks (and a > big power budget) to use LTE in 5 GHz. Maybe if there’s some killer > antenna technology, but I think that’s what Medusa does too. Not that it > is any better on price or power consumption. > > > > > > *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ray > *Sent:* Monday, September 24, 2018 6:44 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DC+ Fiber > > > > This would be better on the price front then if that is possible. > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 3:22 PM, Jon Langeler <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Baicells just announced 5Ghz LTE, might be others. > > > > The brains of the Cambium 3G Medusa is apparently supposed to be capable > of LTE modulation is what I thought I heard at the roadshow. It would be a > future software option. > > Jon Langeler > > Michwave Technologies, Inc. > > > > > On Sep 24, 2018, at 6:12 PM, <[email protected]> <[email protected]> wrote: > > I really have not been paying any attention to this, but is there an > unlicensed LTE radio? > > Meaning an unlicensed radio that uses LTE modulation methods. > > > > *From:* Adam Moffett > > *Sent:* Monday, September 24, 2018 4:09 PM > > *To:* [email protected] > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DC+ Fiber > > > > What's nice LTE? Baicells? > A Telrad eNB might be "only" $7k, but you'll be north of $9k by the time > you figure out all the licenses you need. > > I'd be curious about a 3.65 Medusa, but I wonder if I can set TDD > parameters that will line up with our existing LTE frames. > -Adam > > > On 9/24/2018 3:45 PM, Ryan Ray wrote: > > It's gonna be on display in Vegas. I'm not even in USA so the CBRS stuff > isn't really affecting us right now, but when you start looking at 9k per > ap you could get some nice LTE instead. > > > > It's just surprising being 2k more than the 5ghz pmp450m. Especially with > the cost of the SM being higher as well, but maybe the 450b 3.65 will solve > that? Time will tell I guess. > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 12:41 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: > > That’s not surprising, if it includes the MU-MIMO activation key. I guess > nutty is in the eye of the beholder. > > > > But if it’s really available “soon”, I’m a little surprised, I was afraid > they would wait to see what the FCC did with the PAL auction rules. Also > whether the industry decided that CBRS is only for LTE devices, even for > fixed. > > > > And I thought Ubiquiti had trademarked the term SOON™. > > > > Anyway, I think something like LTE or cnMedusa is going to be necessary > for CBRS, especially with the cost of paying a SAS vendor for each location > and the cost of acquiring PAL licenses, and then only getting 10 MHz > channels. You don’t get much capacity from 10 MHz of spectrum unless you > have all the fancy tricks like beam steering and bidirectional MU-MIMO, and > of course at least 256QAM. > > > > *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ray > *Sent:* Monday, September 24, 2018 1:31 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DC+ Fiber > > > > It's available very soon, but the pricing is nutty. $9k usd.... > > > > On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 6:47 AM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: > > Wait, 3.65 Medusa is available now? I thought it was some undetermined > date in the future. Or did I misunderstand you? > > > > *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Dave > *Sent:* Monday, September 24, 2018 8:09 AM > *To:* [email protected] > > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DC+ Fiber > > > > We have a few towers with TOWER TOP control and management. > The ones I designed are 24v and 48v. > We have only CMM4 boxes with the Planet switches which I use LC the hybrid > cable comes from Besttronics. > We have a #12 stranded pair in each of these. I have to have transtector > Part#1101-626 at top and bottom to meet our > surge protection compliance. > Since those sites have been installed I have had zero issues. > > Seems that 3.65Medusa has made us change to a more direct connection so my > box design will have to be modified. > All of the Orange tag cables will have to be removed since the packet flux > will not support the new power requirements > > Here is one design we have plans to deploy next week. > > <image003.jpg> > > On 09/22/2018 05:05 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > Are most people using SC or LC at the top of the tower? I want to use LC > most everywhere I can, but I understand the advantage in SC on a tower > where it's easier to work with larger things. > > What's the next bigger enclosure? Could you put something like this on a > swinging panel where I could run a trunk cable into it and then plug > individual patch cables going to each radio? Maybe easier on you if you > just make it work with something else on the market, like these panels from > FiberStore where someone can just get whatever panel they want > (LC\SC\whatever)? > > https://www.fs.com/products/68962.html > > The goal is to emulate one of these: > https://www.raycap.com/wp-content/uploads/DC6-48-60-0-8C-EV_320-1318.pdf > > https://www.raycap.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/DC6-48-60-18-8C-EV_320-1315-1.pdf > > Power and fiber in one box, transition from trunk to the ground to the > radios. > > I'm sure they'd sell well. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > [image: Image removed by sender.] <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[image: > Image removed by sender.] > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[image: > Image removed by sender.] > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[image: > Image removed by sender.] <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > [image: Image removed by sender.] <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[image: > Image removed by sender.] > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[image: Image > removed by sender.] <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > [image: Image removed by sender.] > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[image: Image removed by > sender.] > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Chuck McCown" mailto:[email protected] > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:[email protected] > *Sent: *Saturday, September 22, 2018 4:51:48 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] DC+ Fiber > > Can put in a patch panel. Just a mechanical thing to solve. > > But patch panels have cutouts for couplers. And different couplers need > different size holes in the part that holds them in. > > So if someone could tell me which coupler will always be needed, then this > is easy. > > > > Otherwise I have to offer a variety of coupler options and that multiplies > my part numbers etc etc. > > Happy to do that but not if I only sell 1 per month. > > > > *From:* Mike Hammett > > *Sent:* Saturday, September 22, 2018 10:46 AM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Subject:* [AFMUG] DC+ Fiber > > > > When do we see a 48v one of these? Also, more density? > > http://store.packetflux.com/sitemonitor-4-channel-relay-output/ > > When do we see one of these with a fiber patch panel and slack storage? > > > https://www.mccowntech.com/product/8-circuit-outdoor-dc-power-line-surge-suppressor-protector-copy/ > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > [image: Image removed by sender.] <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[image: > Image removed by sender.] > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[image: > Image removed by sender.] > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[image: > Image removed by sender.] <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > [image: Image removed by sender.] <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[image: > Image removed by sender.] > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[image: Image > removed by sender.] <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > [image: Image removed by sender.] > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[image: Image removed by > sender.] > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > > > > > -- > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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