Yeah, Baicells is apparently taking pre-orders for LTE-U 5ghz gear now, but I'm having a hard time seeing why anyone would want to use it. Sure, it'll probably have somewhat better NLOS performance than some (maybe even all) of the 5ghz options that are out there, but even if NLOS is better, it's still going to be lousy NLOS. Aside from that, what else does LTE have to offer in 5ghz that I can't do better and/or cheaper with other gear that's already out? as far as I can tell, you just add a lot of extra baggage by using LTE for no real benefit. I have a hard time believing that LTE is going to handle interference any better than anything else (I'll be surprised if it does as well as some of the other 5ghz stuff).
On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 6:59 PM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: > I’m not sure a 5 GHz LTE product makes sense, unless you’re talking > carrier aggregation and LAA. Otherwise I question the “magic” of “LTE > modulation”, once you try to use it in dirty spectrum. Oooooh, 256QAM. > Like we haven’t been doing that for years. I put it in the same category > as “3.65 GHz goes through trees”. Only if the noise floor is really low, > and then it’s not the “S” part of SNR, it’s the “N” part that’s magic. > > > > Maybe I’m missing something, but I’m not wanting to spend big bucks (and a > big power budget) to use LTE in 5 GHz. Maybe if there’s some killer > antenna technology, but I think that’s what Medusa does too. Not that it > is any better on price or power consumption. > > > > > > *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ray > *Sent:* Monday, September 24, 2018 6:44 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DC+ Fiber > > > > This would be better on the price front then if that is possible. > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 3:22 PM, Jon Langeler <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Baicells just announced 5Ghz LTE, might be others. > > > > The brains of the Cambium 3G Medusa is apparently supposed to be capable > of LTE modulation is what I thought I heard at the roadshow. It would be a > future software option. > > Jon Langeler > > Michwave Technologies, Inc. > > > > > On Sep 24, 2018, at 6:12 PM, <[email protected]> <[email protected]> wrote: > > I really have not been paying any attention to this, but is there an > unlicensed LTE radio? > > Meaning an unlicensed radio that uses LTE modulation methods. > > > > *From:* Adam Moffett > > *Sent:* Monday, September 24, 2018 4:09 PM > > *To:* [email protected] > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DC+ Fiber > > > > What's nice LTE? Baicells? > A Telrad eNB might be "only" $7k, but you'll be north of $9k by the time > you figure out all the licenses you need. > > I'd be curious about a 3.65 Medusa, but I wonder if I can set TDD > parameters that will line up with our existing LTE frames. > -Adam > > > On 9/24/2018 3:45 PM, Ryan Ray wrote: > > It's gonna be on display in Vegas. I'm not even in USA so the CBRS stuff > isn't really affecting us right now, but when you start looking at 9k per > ap you could get some nice LTE instead. > > > > It's just surprising being 2k more than the 5ghz pmp450m. Especially with > the cost of the SM being higher as well, but maybe the 450b 3.65 will solve > that? Time will tell I guess. > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 12:41 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: > > That’s not surprising, if it includes the MU-MIMO activation key. I guess > nutty is in the eye of the beholder. > > > > But if it’s really available “soon”, I’m a little surprised, I was afraid > they would wait to see what the FCC did with the PAL auction rules. Also > whether the industry decided that CBRS is only for LTE devices, even for > fixed. > > > > And I thought Ubiquiti had trademarked the term SOON™. > > > > Anyway, I think something like LTE or cnMedusa is going to be necessary > for CBRS, especially with the cost of paying a SAS vendor for each location > and the cost of acquiring PAL licenses, and then only getting 10 MHz > channels. You don’t get much capacity from 10 MHz of spectrum unless you > have all the fancy tricks like beam steering and bidirectional MU-MIMO, and > of course at least 256QAM. > > > > *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ray > *Sent:* Monday, September 24, 2018 1:31 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DC+ Fiber > > > > It's available very soon, but the pricing is nutty. $9k usd.... > > > > On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 6:47 AM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: > > Wait, 3.65 Medusa is available now? I thought it was some undetermined > date in the future. Or did I misunderstand you? > > > > *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Dave > *Sent:* Monday, September 24, 2018 8:09 AM > *To:* [email protected] > > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DC+ Fiber > > > > We have a few towers with TOWER TOP control and management. > The ones I designed are 24v and 48v. > We have only CMM4 boxes with the Planet switches which I use LC the hybrid > cable comes from Besttronics. > We have a #12 stranded pair in each of these. I have to have transtector > Part#1101-626 at top and bottom to meet our > surge protection compliance. > Since those sites have been installed I have had zero issues. > > Seems that 3.65Medusa has made us change to a more direct connection so my > box design will have to be modified. > All of the Orange tag cables will have to be removed since the packet flux > will not support the new power requirements > > Here is one design we have plans to deploy next week. > > <image003.jpg> > > On 09/22/2018 05:05 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > Are most people using SC or LC at the top of the tower? I want to use LC > most everywhere I can, but I understand the advantage in SC on a tower > where it's easier to work with larger things. > > What's the next bigger enclosure? Could you put something like this on a > swinging panel where I could run a trunk cable into it and then plug > individual patch cables going to each radio? Maybe easier on you if you > just make it work with something else on the market, like these panels from > FiberStore where someone can just get whatever panel they want > (LC\SC\whatever)? > > https://www.fs.com/products/68962.html > > The goal is to emulate one of these: > https://www.raycap.com/wp-content/uploads/DC6-48-60-0-8C-EV_320-1318.pdf > > https://www.raycap.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/DC6-48-60-18-8C-EV_320-1315-1.pdf > > Power and fiber in one box, transition from trunk to the ground to the > radios. > > I'm sure they'd sell well. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > [image: Image removed by sender.] <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[image: > Image removed by sender.] > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[image: > Image removed by sender.] > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[image: > Image removed by sender.] <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > [image: Image removed by sender.] <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[image: > Image removed by sender.] > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[image: Image > removed by sender.] <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > [image: Image removed by sender.] > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[image: Image removed by > sender.] > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Chuck McCown" mailto:[email protected] > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:[email protected] > *Sent: *Saturday, September 22, 2018 4:51:48 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] DC+ Fiber > > Can put in a patch panel. Just a mechanical thing to solve. > > But patch panels have cutouts for couplers. And different couplers need > different size holes in the part that holds them in. > > So if someone could tell me which coupler will always be needed, then this > is easy. > > > > Otherwise I have to offer a variety of coupler options and that multiplies > my part numbers etc etc. > > Happy to do that but not if I only sell 1 per month. > > > > *From:* Mike Hammett > > *Sent:* Saturday, September 22, 2018 10:46 AM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Subject:* [AFMUG] DC+ Fiber > > > > When do we see a 48v one of these? Also, more density? > > http://store.packetflux.com/sitemonitor-4-channel-relay-output/ > > When do we see one of these with a fiber patch panel and slack storage? > > > https://www.mccowntech.com/product/8-circuit-outdoor-dc-power-line-surge-suppressor-protector-copy/ > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > [image: Image removed by sender.] <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[image: > Image removed by sender.] > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[image: > Image removed by sender.] > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[image: > Image removed by sender.] <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > [image: Image removed by sender.] <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[image: > Image removed by sender.] > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[image: Image > removed by sender.] <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > [image: Image removed by sender.] > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[image: Image removed by > sender.] > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > > > > > -- > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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