I'm as confused as he is....

I suspect you're talking about the amount of stress the tower will put on
the guy wire, not the initial tension.  The install diagram for a 120FT 45G
shows the initial tension at 399# for the 3/16's and 665# for the 1/4.
Rounding, you're talking around 1465 lbs of initial tension.  Assuming a
1:10 typical ratio, this is probably going to be around 11,465 LBS of
pull.

On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 9:37 PM Lewis Bergman <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Read the whole post
>
> On Sat, Sep 29, 2018, 10:14 PM Craig House <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Lewis
>> What instructions do you have that says 80% of breaking strength?
>> Everything I have ever seen says 10% and the 3/16 wire is 4000#.  I still
>> overtighten to about 20% to make it feel secure and it usually stretches
>> and after a few temp changes it ends up being around 15% of the tensile
>> strenghth?  I have never tightened to 80%.  That being said I still would
>> have the concerns about the pipe bending.  I am going to back anchor the
>> pipe and I am going to put some Sonnet tube over it and put concrete up the
>> pole as well for at least 1/2 of the height of the pipe.  I have used
>> beam's before as well but I think this pipe I got is actually more rigid
>> than the I beam I used in the past.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" <[email protected]>
>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]>
>> *Sent: *Saturday, September 29, 2018 8:18:47 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Anchor holes
>>
>>
>> You are supposed to tension guys at 80% of breaking tensil strength. On
>> 120 foot 45g that is likely a 1/4 inch guy on top. Maybe 3/16 on the other
>> 3.
>> That and probably 5600 pounds on the top guy and 4400 or so on the
>> others. That means there will be almost 19,000 pounds of pull on that guy
>> point. If you only want the tower for a few years, don't change anything.
>> If you want it longer, I would ditch the pipe, but some 12 inch I beam. Cut
>> the top at a 60 degree angle punch 4 holes. Leave the top flange long, bend
>> it over at 45 degrees and punch 2 holes on it.
>> But if course it is your show. If you give Rohn the info and what you
>> want to do they will give you an engineered solution in a week for free.
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 29, 2018, 6:55 PM Craig House <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Planning on putting a sonnet tube over the outside with rebar and
>>> reinforcing at some on the outside as well
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> > On Sep 29, 2018, at 18:49, Seth Mattinen <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > On 9/29/18 4:29 PM, Craig House wrote:
>>> > > It’s 120 foot tall 45G Tower. I’ve already purchased and had the
>>> pipe
>>> > > welded for planning on putting it in the holes on Monday if I can
>>> get
>>> > > the holes dug
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I guess if you're committed to pipe at least fill it with concrete.
>>> >
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