Routers are as cheap as switches these days.
If I’m going to put a gigabit managed switch somewhere, I might as well use something like a Mikrotik CRS series. I have a couple older towers with Cisco 2960 or 3550 switches, and the 3550’s are actually L3 switches, but the Mikrotik is worth it if only for the remote diagnostic tools. Once you have the ability to torch traffic, set up rate queues, set firewall rules and DST-NAT and various tunnels, everywhere in your network, you never want to go back to just a plain L2 switch. I’ve had little repeater sites fed with an SM and just bridged to the main tower, but because I put a small inexpensive Mikrotik router there (like a 493G or an 850Gx2 or a 3011), changing from bridged to routed was just a small config change to the same hardware. From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Friday, November 23, 2018 3:38 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FS: Netonix Everyone had to learn the hard way in the early days. My first WISP started as a giant flat layer 2 network. Didn’t even know what a VLAN was. Cheap managed switch, VLANs, every AP on a router via VLAN etc. Unless routers are as cheap as switches these days that is how I would still be building things. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, November 23, 2018 2:28 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FS: Netonix I’ve got towers with a router for all the backhauls and a managed switch for the APs. And I’ve got 1 or 2 towers with 2 routers, one for all the ins and outs, and another for the APs at that tower. I don’t connected backhauls to switches. Although a switch with VLANs connected to a router really blurs the lines since the router can route at L3 to the VLANs and hence to ports on the switch. Something like a Mikrotik CCR1009 or CCR1036 has the ports connected directly to the CPU. And even something like an RB1100AHx4 may have a couple switch chips between the CPU and the Ethernet ports but other than a 2.5 Gbps bottleneck per switch chip they are still routed ports (or can be). I think it’s more a question of separate hardware for lightning protection, POE, switch and router, or combine some or all of them into one box. Less wires, more to replace if it fails or gets zapped. Probably also matters if you are putting it on the ground or up in the air. From: AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Friday, November 23, 2018 2:55 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FS: Netonix The 'routers' that most WISP's use are really more like a L3 switch than a router.... They usually have a switch chipset glued onto a CPU. On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 1:51 PM Adair Winter <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: How many sites do you have 15 or 20 radios on? We have a lot of them. On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 2:35 PM Mike Hammett <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: In what way? ----- Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _____ From: "Adair Winter" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, November 23, 2018 2:31:59 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FS: Netonix connecting everything to the router doesn't scale. On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 2:01 PM Mathew Howard <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Yeah, it's two pieces to fail, but it's two pieces that most likely never will fail... at least the PacketFlux. Personally, I like to have everything connected directly to a MIkrotik router rather than messing with any switches. On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 9:50 AM Matt Hoppes <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Mmmm. Two pieces to fail now :) On Nov 23, 2018, at 10:40, Kurt Fankhauser <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: I'm going to Packet Flux Power Injectors and Mikrotik Switches On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 10:07 AM Colin Stanners <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Kurt, if you don't mind me asking, what equipment are you moving to? On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 9:01 AM Kurt Fankhauser <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: have a bunch of Netonix switches for sale: https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odkw= <https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odkw=&_ssn=kblazk&item=202512570080&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=netonix&_sacat=0> &_ssn=kblazk&item=202512570080&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=netonix&_sacat=0 -- AF mailing list [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 <http://www.amarillowireless.net/> http://www.amarillowireless.net <http://www.amarillowireless.net> -- AF mailing list [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 <http://www.amarillowireless.net/> http://www.amarillowireless.net <http://www.amarillowireless.net> -- AF mailing list [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc. Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> | <http://www.packetflux.com/> http://www.packetflux.com <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian> <http://facebook.com/packetflux> <http://twitter.com/@packetflux> _____ -- AF mailing list [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
-- AF mailing list [email protected] http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
