We learned the hard way just like everyone else, but got the wrong lesson and put in big routers everywhere. Too expensive to upgrade to 10G and way too much power usage which requires big expensive batteries. Now we are moving to ERPS rings on Calix with a few BNGs, a couple DIA customer edge routers, and two peering routers.
L2 network --> Routed Network --> L2 payload network via MPLS VPLS over the routed network --> L2 network If I had understood how a BNG can dynamically create individual interfaces per sub and use one big IP pool with IPoE in the beginning, I think we would be a lot further along then we are now. On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 3:38 PM <[email protected]> wrote: > Everyone had to learn the hard way in the early days. My first WISP > started as a giant flat layer 2 network. Didn’t even know what a VLAN > was. > > Cheap managed switch, VLANs, every AP on a router via VLAN etc. Unless > routers are as cheap as switches these days that is how I would still be > building things. > > *From:* Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Friday, November 23, 2018 2:28 PM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FS: Netonix > > > I’ve got towers with a router for all the backhauls and a managed switch > for the APs. And I’ve got 1 or 2 towers with 2 routers, one for all the > ins and outs, and another for the APs at that tower. I don’t connected > backhauls to switches. Although a switch with VLANs connected to a router > really blurs the lines since the router can route at L3 to the VLANs and > hence to ports on the switch. > > > > Something like a Mikrotik CCR1009 or CCR1036 has the ports connected > directly to the CPU. And even something like an RB1100AHx4 may have a > couple switch chips between the CPU and the Ethernet ports but other than a > 2.5 Gbps bottleneck per switch chip they are still routed ports (or can be). > > > > I think it’s more a question of separate hardware for lightning > protection, POE, switch and router, or combine some or all of them into one > box. Less wires, more to replace if it fails or gets zapped. Probably > also matters if you are putting it on the ground or up in the air. > > > > > > *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian > (List Account) > *Sent:* Friday, November 23, 2018 2:55 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FS: Netonix > > > > The 'routers' that most WISP's use are really more like a L3 switch than a > router.... They usually have a switch chipset glued onto a CPU. > > > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 1:51 PM Adair Winter <[email protected]> > wrote: > > How many sites do you have 15 or 20 radios on? We have a lot of them. > > > > On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 2:35 PM Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: > > In what way? > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > [image: Image removed by sender.] <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[image: > Image removed by sender.] > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[image: > Image removed by sender.] > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[image: > Image removed by sender.] <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > [image: Image removed by sender.] <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[image: > Image removed by sender.] > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[image: Image > removed by sender.] <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > [image: Image removed by sender.] > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[image: Image removed by > sender.] > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Adair Winter" <[email protected]> > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]> > *Sent: *Friday, November 23, 2018 2:31:59 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] FS: Netonix > > connecting everything to the router doesn't scale. > > > > On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 2:01 PM Mathew Howard <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Yeah, it's two pieces to fail, but it's two pieces that most likely never > will fail... at least the PacketFlux. Personally, I like to have everything > connected directly to a MIkrotik router rather than messing with any > switches. > > > > On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 9:50 AM Matt Hoppes < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Mmmm. Two pieces to fail now :) > > > On Nov 23, 2018, at 10:40, Kurt Fankhauser <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I'm going to Packet Flux Power Injectors and Mikrotik Switches > > > > On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 10:07 AM Colin Stanners <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Kurt, if you don't mind me asking, what equipment are you moving to? > > > > On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 9:01 AM Kurt Fankhauser <[email protected]> > wrote: > > have a bunch of Netonix switches for sale: > > > > > https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odkw=&_ssn=kblazk&item=202512570080&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=netonix&_sacat=0 > > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > > -- > > Adair Winter > VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner > Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 > C: 806.231.7180 > http://www.amarillowireless.net > [image: Image removed by sender.] <http://www.amarillowireless.net> > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > > -- > > Adair Winter > VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner > Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 > C: 806.231.7180 > http://www.amarillowireless.net > [image: Image removed by sender.] <http://www.amarillowireless.net> > > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > > -- > > *Forrest Christian* *CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.* > > Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 > > [email protected] | http://www.packetflux.com > > [image: Image removed by sender.] <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian> > [image: Image removed by sender.] <http://facebook.com/packetflux> [image: > Image removed by sender.] <http://twitter.com/@packetflux> > > [image: Image removed by sender.][image: Image removed by sender.][image: > Image removed by sender.] > > ------------------------------ > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- Carl Peterson *PORT NETWORKS* 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707
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