We learned the hard way just like everyone else, but got the wrong
lesson and put in big routers everywhere. Too expensive to upgrade to
10G and way too much power usage which requires big expensive
batteries. Now we are moving to ERPS rings on Calix with a few BNGs,
a couple DIA customer edge routers, and two peering routers.
L2 network --> Routed Network --> L2 payload network via MPLS VPLS
over the routed network --> L2 network
If I had understood how a BNG can dynamically create individual
interfaces per sub and use one big IP pool with IPoE in the beginning,
I think we would be a lot further along then we are now.
On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 3:38 PM <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Everyone had to learn the hard way in the early days. My first
WISP started as a giant flat layer 2 network. Didn’t even know
what a VLAN was.
Cheap managed switch, VLANs, every AP on a router via VLAN etc.
Unless routers are as cheap as switches these days that is how I
would still be building things.
*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Friday, November 23, 2018 2:28 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FS: Netonix
I’ve got towers with a router for all the backhauls and a managed
switch for the APs. And I’ve got 1 or 2 towers with 2 routers,
one for all the ins and outs, and another for the APs at that
tower. I don’t connected backhauls to switches. Although a
switch with VLANs connected to a router really blurs the lines
since the router can route at L3 to the VLANs and hence to ports
on the switch.
Something like a Mikrotik CCR1009 or CCR1036 has the ports
connected directly to the CPU. And even something like an
RB1100AHx4 may have a couple switch chips between the CPU and the
Ethernet ports but other than a 2.5 Gbps bottleneck per switch
chip they are still routed ports (or can be).
I think it’s more a question of separate hardware for lightning
protection, POE, switch and router, or combine some or all of them
into one box. Less wires, more to replace if it fails or gets
zapped. Probably also matters if you are putting it on the ground
or up in the air.
*From:* AF <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian
(List Account)
*Sent:* Friday, November 23, 2018 2:55 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FS: Netonix
The 'routers' that most WISP's use are really more like a L3
switch than a router.... They usually have a switch chipset
glued onto a CPU.
On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 1:51 PM Adair Winter
<[email protected]> wrote:
How many sites do you have 15 or 20 radios on? We have a lot
of them.
On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 2:35 PM Mike Hammett
<[email protected]> wrote:
In what way?
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connecting everything to the router doesn't scale.
On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 2:01 PM Mathew Howard
<[email protected]> wrote:
Yeah, it's two pieces to fail, but it's two pieces
that most likely never will fail... at least the
PacketFlux. Personally, I like to have everything
connected directly to a MIkrotik router rather than
messing with any switches.
On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 9:50 AM Matt Hoppes
<[email protected]> wrote:
Mmmm. Two pieces to fail now :)
On Nov 23, 2018, at 10:40, Kurt Fankhauser
<[email protected]> wrote:
I'm going to Packet Flux Power Injectors and
Mikrotik Switches
On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 10:07 AM Colin
Stanners <[email protected]> wrote:
Kurt, if you don't mind me asking, what
equipment are you moving to?
On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 9:01 AM Kurt
Fankhauser <[email protected]> wrote:
have a bunch of Netonix switches for sale:
https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odkw=&_ssn=kblazk&item=202512570080&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=netonix&_sacat=0
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