They also have a pair of LEDs in parallel with each other but in series with 
the op amp power rail to indicate output.  Crazy all over the place.  

From: Mark Radabaugh 
Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2018 2:29 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Linear Circuit

Check the V- side of the circuit - is it tied to 0v or is that the output?    

https://www.edn.com/design/analog/4320338/Op-amp-can-source-or-sink-current

version (e) looks a bit like what you have and they are using the negative rail 
of the chip as a constant current source.

Mark



  On Dec 4, 2018, at 3:51 PM, [email protected] wrote:

  Nope.  The sensor is a different part of the circuit.  

  From: Mark Radabaugh 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2018 1:41 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Linear Circuit

  Seems like one of those resistors is the sensor?   To me it looks like the 
output is going to try to stay just over 3V but will lag ‘ref out’ up or down 
if there is any voltage on it.    I can’t recall if op amps can sink current or 
not. 

  The wife was annoyed that the contractor blew up the new fan hood for the 
kitchen remodel with a dead short on the output.  A Replacement board was 8 
weeks out.   “Can’t you get out your special catalog and fix it?”.   I suppose 
- hum.. this circuit board is built to drive more than one fan.   Let’s take 
this SCR out and move it over here, solder a new fuse in here… yep - don’t even 
need to order parts.

  Mark



    On Dec 4, 2018, at 2:43 PM, <[email protected]> <[email protected]> wrote:

    I am reverse engineering a temp control circuit on an electric tankless hot 
water heater.  
    Manufacturer says no user replicable parts inside.  Oh yeah?

    It has this as a reference voltage circuit (below) for a comparator to 
compare against a thermistor and pot combo.  
    LM324

    Odd taking a reference voltage from an input.  Have never seen this circuit 
before.  I think I have drawn it correctly.
    The op amp will drive the output to minimize the differences between pins 
5&6 so pin 6 should reflect the voltage of the divider with lower impedance.  

    Anyone see why this wouldn’t work?  I was sure I had traced it incorrectly, 
but I think this really is the circuit.  
    It seems the values of R10 and R11 are not critical.  Or are they?


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