You might also think that, if they are worried about Amazon, putting out some "oh it's a loser" news might slow Amazon down some... When you look at it and the $$ Amazon can dump into it compared to Musk, they are very dangerous...

On 04/18/2019 08:19 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
It's hard to have a modest plan with LEOs. You need lots of birds to have coverage. Clearwire's failing was a lack of funding for significant coverage.



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*From: *"Adam Moffett" <[email protected]>
*To: *[email protected]
*Sent: *Thursday, April 18, 2019 10:17:14 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Real threat

Google Fiber's trajectory runs parallel to other people we've probably all met in this industry. With a surface level of knowledge everything looks easy. Then they get into it and find out the easy parts they knew about were like 10% of the story.

Google might have been better buying existing ISP's, or starting on a smaller scale to build up a pool of talent and institutional knowledge. Or both of those things. Just because you have a hundred million dollars doesn't mean easements are easy to get. And having a good price and speed are fine, but an aggressive incumbent can still eat your lunch because they're better at selling it.

Maybe Starlink should start with a more modest plan that's easier to achieve and build upon it with the knowledge they gain in the process. I suppose a guy like Musk doesn't think that way though.

-Adam


On 4/18/2019 10:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

    Reminds me of Intel deciding not to sell 5G chips for smartphones
    and their stock goes up, apparently investors feel they dodged a bullet.

    Or Google Fiber pretty much getting out of fiber.

    The question “how will this ever be profitable” has a way of
    clearing your thoughts.  Especially when you’re trying to raise
    money from investors.

    I assumed SpaceX was profitable and the Internet satellite thing was
    a Musk hobby project funded from the SpaceX profits, but this
    article implies it was the other way around.  Remind me, which of
    Musk’s businesses actually makes a profit?

    *From:*AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *[email protected]
    *Sent:* Thursday, April 18, 2019 9:43 AM
    *To:* [email protected]
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Real threat

    Visible antennas

    Cost per mbps

    Latency

    I will keep my head in the sand.

    *From:*dave

    *Sent:*Thursday, April 18, 2019 8:15 AM

    *To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>

    *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Real threat

    LOL... Yep..


    On 4/18/19 9:05 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

        Well, well, well. Reality may be rearing its ugly head...

        
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4254917-spacex-backtracking-satellite-internet-puts-future-profits-doubt



        bp
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        On 4/4/2019 5:21 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

            Sounds like a job for Space Force.

            Actually, I'm a little confused.  Will these LEO sats be
            5G?  What good are
            they if they aren't 5G?  How are we going to get remote
            surgery and
            self-driving vehicles without 5G?

            I wish these big corporations would make up their minds, do
            I need a small
            cell 1000 feet away because <reasons>, or do I need
            thousands of satellites
            whizzing overhead 50 miles up?  Seems like polar opposites,
            but apparently
            we gotta have 'em.


            -----Original Message-----
            From: AF mailto:[email protected] On Behalf Of Robert
            Andrews
            Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2019 7:03 PM
            To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
            Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Real threat

            And one more Indian anti-sat test to turn it all into chaff...

            On 04/04/2019 04:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

                So now in addition to Elon and his thousands of
                satellites, and OneWeb
                with their thousands of satellites, we will now add
                Bezos and another
                few thousand satellites:

                
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-amazon-com-broadband/amazon-plans-t

                
o-launch-over-3000-satellites-to-offer-broadband-internet-idUSKCN1RG1Y

                W

                bp
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                On 3/20/2019 10:30 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

                    Oh, no, Elon will be able to market it to all Tesla
                    owners!  And have
                    kiosks in all the Tesla stores! We're doomed!

                    So I guess what I'm saying is technology doesn't
                    sell, marketing
                    sells, and it all depends on who they partner with
                    to actually sell
                    service to end customers.  Also of course they are
                    not the only
                    company doing this.  OneWeb for example. SpaceX has
                    the advantage of
                    having their own launch service and being able to
                    piggyback on other
                    payloads.

                    *From:* AF mailto:[email protected] *On Behalf
                    Of *Chuck McCown
                    *Sent:* Wednesday, March 20, 2019 12:09 PM
                    *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
                    *Subject:* [AFMUG] Real threat

                    Or is the sky falling?

                    
https://www.reddit.com/r/Starlink/comments/7zqm2c/starlink_faq/


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