We have been using Preseem for about a year now.   We originally implemented it 
as a way to better manage the customer experience and potentially make better 
use of our DIA bandwidth and maybe reduce some DIA costs.   I am guessing 
someone could build a similar product on their own with open source.  

However, what we have found is that we get significantly more than the customer 
experience management with the tool.   The reporting is beyond awesome, it has 
become our number one tool for troubleshooting customers complaints.   Others 
on this list can weigh in on how they use it, but our typical day goes 
something like this:
1) During our morning Ops call, we take a peek at Preseem's recap of tower 
latency yesterday.  If nothing new shows up for Red towers/access points, we 
look at Yellow Access Points (this is a ranking of Aps/towers over certain 
latency thresholds)
2) If any customer calls have come in, we use the Preseem tool to see if they 
are experiencing latency issues.   If they are, we check our SNMP based 
monitoring tool to see if their wireless connection to the tower has changed or 
if the AP is experience issues.   We had a pretty major windstorm go through 
two weeks ago, and we found a few customers whose latency spiked and 
investigation into their connection showed there was an issue with their dish.
3) If latency has climbed, but the AP and upstream devices are all OK, we check 
into the experience of that customer to others on their tower.   Is their 
latency spike unique, does it happen only under load, etc.   More often than 
not, the issue is specific to them, doesn't only happen under load, and only at 
certain times.  It is usually from streaming a show on the TV in the far back 
upstairs bedroom (or something like that) with a crappy connection to their 
wifi router in the house.   

We have found it to be an indispensable tool for this kind of thing.   We 
bought it for QoE, but use it daily for monitoring/troubleshooting activities.  
 Not only do you get a hosted reporting solution, you have access to some 
pretty smart folks.   

Just this morning our first line of support person said "If Preseem ever goes 
down, I will cry, it is my favorite troubleshooting tool".   We were having a 
discussion about how you could compare QoE/Latency from a customer to other 
customers on the same AP, to others on the Same Tower, to others in the same 
DIA, etc.   It is hard to explain how much it changes the way you think about 
the "My Internet is slow" complaint.  Quite often this person will get a call 
about it being slow last night, and she will ask the time at which it happened 
and pull up very detailed information like "You were using 45 of you 50 Mbps 
plan with 50 ms latency".    

Take the time to go through the demo with Gerrit.   You may not decide it is 
not for you, but it won't be a waste of time to understand why they are pushing 
it so hard.   

David Coudron
[email protected]  |  Mobile: 612-991-7474
 
Advantenon, Inc.            
[email protected]  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447  | 
 www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  Local: 612-454-1545 



-----Original Message-----
From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 10:41 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bufferbloat

I think they have integration with common CRM's like Sonar.

You sound exactly like I sounded 15 years ago.  The more stuff I have to deal 
with every day, the more I'm ok with outsourcing some of my troubles to someone 
else.

I just paid a guy $800 to replace an exhaust inducer in my furnace.  I know 
that inducer is $99 and goes in with 4 screws and a hose clamp, but it's more 
worth my time to let someone else take care of it so I can do something else.  
Same goes for Preseem vs the $300 Linux box.

I'm not knocking your method.  There's a point in the business cycle where 
there's more time than there is cash, and it will make sense to do some more 
DIY things.  I'm just saying the Preseem thing has value too.

-Adam


On 1/31/2020 11:34 AM, Dev wrote:
> I’m getting spammed like every day with the Preseem guys selling what seem 
> like expensive hacks of fq_codel to reduce bufferbloat. Is there anything 
> else interesting about their technology besides deploying open source 
> implementation of fq_codel or CAKE on commodity hardware, which we already do 
> to great effect on a $300 single board Linux box with a few ports? I guess 
> they have a pretty dashboard, anyhing other than that?

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