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On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 12:10 PM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote: > Well, right, that's true, and another thing that you need to consider is > that something like an Aviat will run at higher TX power, and probably has > better receive sensitivity, meaning you might be able to use smaller dishes > for similar performance in some circumstances. > > Using 2 foots is doable on 7 miles around here (the ubnt dishes are > actually something like 32", but the gain is more in line with a decent > 2')... but it all depends on what your requirements are. It will lose some > capacity in heavy storms, but I wouldn't expect that to be a major problem > in Utah. Even putting a 3' dish on some structures we're installing on is > questionable (whether for wind load reasons, appearance or even just lack > of space), so 4' or 6' has pretty much been out of the question on the > links I've done. Sometimes you just have to take what you can get. > > > On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 11:34 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > >> I didn't mean to imply it would be the same price, but it's a different >> value that needs to be considered. >> >> If you need larger or higher quality dishes, they very well could >> represent more cost than the electronics in either scenario. Ever price out >> 4' or 6' high performance dishes? >> >> >> It's not just cat A vs. cat b, but within cat A there are still huge >> differences in what you may need to use in your environment. >> >> That said, in our area, I can't imagine using less than a 3' dish for a 7 >> mile link in 11 GHz. I'd be happier with a 4'. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> >> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Sent: *Saturday, May 9, 2020 11:18:56 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] af11x >> >> Well, in theory, the AF11 will be available without the dishes again at >> some point... >> >> I think an Aviat single transceiver link came out to about $6k for the >> hardware, with 2' dishes when I priced it, so that's nearly double the >> price of the AF11. If we say $1k of that is in the dishes (I don't remember >> exactly how the pricing broke down, but I think the dishes were actually >> quite a bit less than that), that's still an almost $2k difference (with >> throwing the ubiquiti dishes away)... presumably the better dishes will be >> about the same price for either radio, so the only other difference is >> going to be a few hundred for adapters to connect the AF11 to a real dish. >> >> It didn't used to be too big of a difference in price to use Jirous >> dishes with the AF11, because even though you had to buy an adapter (which >> I think was like $140), the dishes were cheaper, but I don't think that's >> the case anymore (and it obvious isn't if you can only get the kit). >> >> And of course, if you only need ~350Mbps, you could just do single pol >> with the AF11, and there'd be no need to go with better radios... and it >> would take ~$350 off the price, since you don't need the extra duplexers. >> >> But the only reason I'd see you needing better dishes on a 7 mile link is >> if congestion makes a cat A dish necessary. >> >> Shipping cost also starts to add up when you're dealing with bigger >> dishes... Chuck could probably pick up the AF11 kits locally from >> Streakwave, but that may not be the case for other stuff. >> >> On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 9:44 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >> >>> How much more is it, though, for better radios if you need the better >>> dishes, yet have to buy the Ubiquiti dishes anyway? >>> >>> AF11 kit with dishes (that you'll just throw away) >>> N to waveguide adapters >>> Good dish >>> >>> vs. >>> >>> Better radio >>> Good dish >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> >>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Sent: *Saturday, May 9, 2020 9:21:00 AM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] af11x >>> >>> I used Comsearch for the last few we did... the price wasn't much >>> different at the time, but I have no idea if that's still the case. >>> >>> Ken is right about the performance... you basically get he >>> same throughput out of dual pol that higher end radios get on single pol. >>> It only really matters if the area is congested, but if it is, you may need >>> to spend more and get better radios. >>> >>> On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 8:51 AM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>> >>>> So is Liz still the best value for freq coordination and license prep? >>>> >>>> *From:* Ken Hohhof >>>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 9, 2020 7:34 AM >>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] af11x >>>> >>>> >>>> I don’t have any AF11X and may be remembering wrong, but I think you >>>> basically have to coordinate dual pol, for single pol performance. So if >>>> you’re in a congested area, it might be marginally more difficult to >>>> coordinate because you won’t have the option of using single pol if only V >>>> or H is available. V is usually preferred because of less rain fade, so >>>> sometimes H is still available. Bottom line, might want to do frequency >>>> coordination before buying hardware. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown >>>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 9, 2020 7:15 AM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] af11x >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On May 8, 2020, at 11:01 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The kit is available with high band duplexers. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> But yeah, last I checked, the AF11 is still only in stock anywhere in >>>> kit form, so it makes sense to just go with the Ubiquiti dishes (which >>>> should be fine for 7 miles anyway), So you'd be at about $3200 for the >>>> hardware (2 kits plus two more duplexers to do mimo). If I remember >>>> correctly, coordination and licensing was somewhere around $1600 on the >>>> last link we did, so you'll probably end up right around $5K total. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I haven't ever had any problem finding an open frequency, but that >>>> completely depends on the area. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 6:15 PM Jason Wilson <ja...@remotelylocated.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Additionally if you get a high band allotment you’ll need new duplexes >>>> all the way around. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 3:48 PM Jesse DuPont < >>>> jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> Yes. The AF11x "kit" (two radios, two duplexers, two antennas) is >>>> $1500, need two more duplexers if doing MIMO - another $500 ish. Then $2K >>>> (at the most) for the coordination/licensing fees. If you want better >>>> antennas than the UBNT ones in the kit, they'll be over and above. >>>> Radiowaves and KP make good ones (they're the same antenna, actually). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Jesse DuPont* >>>> >>>> Owner / Network Architect >>>> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net >>>> Celerity Networks LLC / Celerity Broadband LLC >>>> Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc >>>> >>>> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband >>>> >>>> <celeritynetworks-GIF.gif> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 5/8/20 4:41 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >>>> >>>> $4K, both radios, both antennas and a license? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Jesse DuPont >>>> >>>> *Sent:* Friday, May 8, 2020 4:39 PM >>>> >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; ch...@wbmfg.com >>>> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] af11x >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> About $4K, 700 Mbps. Open freqs completely depends on your location. >>>> Might have to upgrade antennas. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Jesse DuPont* >>>> >>>> Owner / Network Architect >>>> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net >>>> Celerity Networks LLC / Celerity Broadband LLC >>>> Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc >>>> >>>> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband >>>> >>>> <celeritynetworks-GIF.gif> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 5/8/20 3:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >>>> >>>> What is the cost, all in, license, antennas, everything for a system >>>> that will do 7 miles? >>>> >>>> What throughput will that have? >>>> >>>> How likely is it to find an open frequency? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> Jason Wilson >>>> Remotely Located >>>> Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places. >>>> 530-651-1736 >>>> 530-748-9608 Cell >>>> www.remotelylocated.com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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