Saying something is “wrong” is almost always a statement of opinion, not fact.
Children in cages vs children in holding areas created our of cyclone fence materials... well what do you do when you have to contain a large bunch of people? The media created the hysteria. Like saying they had to drink from toilets. No, it was a sink built into the top of a toilet. It was an expedient solution... and it was started during the Obama administration. Funny, folks like MSNBC and CNN always seem to leave that last bit unsaid... You would have to be pretty cold hearted to think separation of families is not wrong. But it happens every single day when DCFS types of organizations have to remove children out of bad environments. Sometimes the law separates children from families. There is an old saying “the law is an ass”. But a good solution came out of it – wait in Mexico. I think this was Trumps’ best act. Bans on people coming from terrorist exporting nations is not the worst way of trying to prevent a terrorist attack. Problem is Trump does not seem to be able to understand the difference between a peaceful religious Islamic human from a radicalized terrorist. I have a big problem treating groups of people differently based on their religion. That is one of the reason this nation exists in the first place. I don’t have a problem with a travel ban from hot spots of bad people. Pipes through any lands? I am ok with fiber optic cables, pipe lines, any necessary infrastructure to be buried anywhere. The 5th amendment lays the groundwork for doing this. As long as the underlying property owners received due process and fair compensation. Same as for highways and power lines. Including national parks and monuments. It does not harm the land. I am also OK with drilling oil wells almost anywhere. These things are not wrong - to me. But again, wrong is a statement of opinion, not fact. I am not going to like it when Biden expands some national monuments that Obama and Clinton tagged Utah with on their way out of office and Trump restored to their original state. I look at those like they took a large can of red spray paint and wrote their name on the red rocks of our Southern area so they could claim them as legacy. They are/were already federal lands, already under NEPA protection no need for extra designation. But it will happen. And that means no more cell phone towers out there and more hikers attracted to the “new national monuments” and more hikers dying of thirst in the summer because their phones don’t work.... So Mr. President (elect), tag our state with your graffiti, kill some hikers... see, I can do rhetoric too! From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 9:25 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening.. I said Nationalism ....how nationalism led to Nazism... Think about how many people were complicit ....not calling it out is wrong... children in cages is wrong, separation of families is wrong, bans on Muslims is wrong, pipes through Native American lands is wrong , Righteous Indignation. On Wed, Nov 11, 2020, 8:36 AM Lewis Bergman <[email protected]> wrote: Declaring any large movement today, meaning ones with millions of people in it, can't be compared to Nazis. You need to look back at history. not saying it couldn't eventually work its way to something closer. But it isn't even close. To say it is discounts how horrible Nazis were and what the Jewish people went through. The closest thing you could say is that Trump wants to be more like Harry Truman ( a Democrat ). Truman took it 10 steps further by locking up American citizens. Yes that was a time of war but it doesn't make it less wrong. Anyway, comparing anyone except those wacko white nationalists types to Nazis is just partisan hogwash. On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 9:17 AM Adam Moffett <[email protected]> wrote: First, I don't think it's as bad as all that. A lot of voting is more "against the other guy" than voting for someone. A lot of our press is devoted to demonizing the other guy so that you'll vote against him. If you believed Joe Biden was a communist, corrupt, etc then maybe you'd rather vote for the inept, xenophobic clown. Not saying that's ok, but saying I don't think it's as cult-like as Nazism. Second, I'm always annoyed by "prove me wrong" and even similar memes like "change my mind". "Reticulan lizard aliens secretly run the US government and major corporations. Prove me wrong." Just because I don't want to argue about whatever claim a person is making, does not mean I accept their interpretation. On 11/11/2020 10:01 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: The scariest part is how many actually voted for an inept nationalist xenophobic clown ...it portends of bad things ahead. Study history and you will see how this nationalism fervor led to Nazi growth in Europe... The proof is overwhelming... Prove me wrong. On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 9:41 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]> wrote: I cant take credit on that one Heres some crazy stuff, I'm pretty sure offering up campaign funds for anything other than a campaign is illegal. I told you guys, this is gonna get hilarious. By the time it's all said and done, theyll find 100 percent evidence biden cheated and there will be no republicans left not in prison for the RNC to put in the big seat. https://www.thedailybeast.com/texas-lt-gov-dan-patrick-offers-dollar1-million-in-campaign-funds-for-voter-fraud-evidence Was reading another article from one of the mainstreams about what happens if there is no certification and the congress has to vote in a new potus, apparently it's not limited to the two candidates, it's got to do with aggregate votes and would potentially leave bernie sanders in a position to be president. Its was MSM and they're full of shit all the time but it sounded good. Can you imagine that, the dnc fucked this guy over twice in a concerted effort, particularly in 2016 when he had a real good chance of beating the republican., and then he pulls that feat off. I'd love it. I hate his policies, and hed have zero chance of implementing 95 percent of them, but I'd pay to watch that happen. On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 9:37 PM Adam Moffett <[email protected]> wrote: I might have to write that one down. 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