I, along with many people my age, have a coin sized scar on my upper arm from a smallpox vaccination as a kid. They jabbed you multiple times with a needle, then you got a blister that turned into a scab that eventually fell off and left a scar.
People today are wusses. Wow, I might feel a little off for a day or two if I get this vaccine, I think I’ll skip it and maybe die. Or rely on everyone around me to get vaccinated and create “herd immunity”. But you’re probably right. That plus the anti-vaxxers, if only 50% of people get the vaccine (including the second shot) it’s going to keep circulating. From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 2:47 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing This will be a real issue for these vaccines.. https://gvwire.com/2020/11/23/doctors-say-side-effects-from-covid-vaccine-shots-wont-be-a-walk-in-the-park/ On 11/24/20 7:59 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I read an article* saying some in China who need a certificate to travel or work get both shots at the same time, one in each arm. Sure, why not. We don’t need it to actually work, do we? *add skepticism to taste From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 9:43 AM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing All the vaccines so far require 2 doses to become effective, and the numbers I heard were more like 20 million per vaccine, so that's 60 million divided by 2, so 30 million. And that is going to mainly go to healthcare workers and high risk. I don't expect things to turn around until March or so, and that's only if a lot of people get vaccinated. The next vaccine in the barrel is the Johnson&Johnson one, and that's supposed to be a single dose. bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 11/24/2020 7:10 AM, Steve Jones wrote: With the three vaccines ready to roll out 90 million inoculations in the US this year it may be moot because kit production probably wont be able to meet demand before we have herd vaccination in 2.5 months. But these new home test kits, assuming there is any reliability to them, would have been the ideal pairing with tracing. Testing is still being handled poorly on the local level. Our health department took a ton of money from the feds for testing, but the drive through they set up only has like a 25 test a day capacity, what a joke that is, will be interesting to see who all goes to jail here. CVS has drop off testing, but you have to do it through the website, and its aweful, my mom couldn't get hers because she has the wrong color Medicare card, whatever the hell that means. The wait at the big test center is 4 to 6 hours. Not complaining about that one, they do massive volume because of all the jackleggery everywhere else. Our hospital and many of the clinics have rapid tests but opt not to use them, instead ship them off. Lots and lots of prison sentences in the near future. The good thing about this, is unlike the swine flu utter disaster, we built out a very robust pandemic response system in a short period of time. This will be the model future pandemics are managed by after the post mortem. As long as the grifters spend decades in prison, the next time the systems will actually be utilized properly, it will be election proof On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 8:34 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote: They should stop talking about contact tracing as if it's working, it only works if you have orders of magnitude less cases than we have now. There is the containment phase, mitigation phase, then who let the dogs out. Guess which phase we're in. At this point, contact tracing is pretty useless, even testing is of questionable use. About all you can do if you test positive is self-isolate and tell your friends, family and coworkers. Even testing is questionable, mostly the people getting tested already suspect they have it. Steve is right that the states didn't ramp up contact tracing fast enough or successfully, but given the poor cooperation they got from people, I'm not sure how much it would have helped. Now about all they can do is tell people to isolate and tell their contacts. Thank you Capt. Obvious. And like Steve says, the lag time makes even that pretty useless. If we were New Zealand, contact tracing would be great. Or alternatively, a compliant surveillance society like China. -----Original Message----- From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 2:44 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing Don’t be too relaxed with it. I have a friend who just collapsed in church on Sunday from Covid. Just singing along and his heart stopped. Perfectly healthy, outside active guy. They gave him CPR and last I knew he’s still alive in the hospital. He was a staunch anti masker. This is a very serious disease and needs to be treated as such. > On Nov 24, 2020, at 12:54 AM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > What a let down this was. Turns out tracing is a joke. First off, they dont > even make contact with the positive test for 3 to 5 days even though the > money was for within 24 hours. So it essentially pointless as far as stopping > the spread. > They dont ask for much detail, so thes "x infections traced back to Y event" > are pretty much fictitious. I thought it was maybe local to us, nope pretty > much the same way across the board. > We had 8 sick, three positive tests, and only one was actually traced. 6 the > seven of us were contacts, the two other positives werent marked different. > We are almost a week past the quarantine/isolation and still getting the > texts. > > The point is, yet again in this, the feds provided a massive amount of money > and guidance, actually bipartisan, and the states fucked it up. I'm in > illinois, so I'm guessing out of every tracing dollar 25 cents when in our > fat emperor, erm governors pocket, and another 25 cents went in speaker > Madigan criminal defense fund. 50 cents went to the tracers, but they > probably have to kick 30 percent back in taxes. > > My kids are remote so it's not relevant, but they havent recieved the dept > public health release yet, so I figure the boy wont be able to do his drive > time friday for drivers ed. > > What a joke. > > Luckily this isnt the death plague they told us it was. Takes a lot to die of > it now and our state numbers are going back down now that the election > celebration infections are subsiding. > > Had the states done what they were supposed to, infected people would have > known 3 to 4 days earlier, and the percent that would quarantine would have. > This is our 3rd verified exposure, first actual contact tracing, the other > two I know for a fact listed us as contacts. > > When this is over and the FOIAs start, I'm hoping a lot of state and dept of > health officials spend a ton of time in prison. I'm betting there are a ton > of phones that were "lost" or smashed with hammers when the investigations > start after. Theres a ruthless watchdog group I had to deal with once, > actually forced a multi county health department to split, only got one > person for embezzlement though. But they know the FOIA game well enough that > the health department had to have constant deliveries of pallets of paper. > There were a lot of "early retirements" > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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