Until internet is treated as a utility, and not an all you can eat buffet,
no money should be spent at a federal level.
I personally never understood the sense of entitlement that dictates every
home should have access to any service no matter where the homeowner
chooses to put it.

I understand townships, etc, but individual homes, no.



On Wed, Dec 16, 2020, 12:39 PM Bill Prince <[email protected]> wrote:

> I don't completely agree with that. It could reasonably be argued that
> satellite companies could provide rural broadband more cost effectively
> than almost anyone else. They are, in fact, building infrastructure to
> cover the entire planet, which happens to also cover rural America.
>
>
> bp
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> On 12/16/2020 10:30 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> .....the original point was about SpaceX though.  I don't think satellite
> companies should get rural broadband funding.  They didn't build any rural
> infrastructure.  It's not as though they have designated "rural" satellites
> that they launched for that purpose.  Hughes uses their funding to
> subsidize CPE installation costs, and I assume SpaceX will do the same.
>
>
> On 12/16/2020 1:28 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> I do understand that position.  Until a year or two ago I called myself a
> Libertarian (that's a whole other story).
>
> There are places that would never have phone or electric without
> government intervention.  The choice was made 90 years ago to develop those
> areas.  If we're not going to continue that with internet access then
> logically we should take away the rural phone and electric too.  Let the
> free market not serve them or charge them the true cost of serving them.
> Facing brutal choices like that swayed me away from pure Libertarianism.
> It didn't help that the other Libertarians tended to be lunatics (but
> again, that's another story).
>
>
> On 12/16/2020 1:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> I'm a big fan of letting the market take care of it.  If there is a
> demand, then a WISP will likely meet it.  If not, either deal with it or
> move somewhere that has service.  Maybe that is another argument entirely,
> but I think we're searching for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
>
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 11:34 AM Adam Moffett <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Is it better to fund Frontier FTTH and risk them being evil, incompetent
>> Frontier or better to leave rural WV unserved?  It's easy to sit back in
>> our comfy chairs and say Frontier doesn't deserve that money, but then what
>> do we do after not giving it to them?
>> On 12/16/2020 12:24 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>> It should probably be a requirement that you aren't under bankruptcy
>> protection if you're going to be getting public money.  Plus Frontier is
>> just generally incompetent, hence the bankruptcy.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 10:58 AM Adam Moffett <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I saw the senator's complaint.  I can't speak to Frontier's competency,
>>> but Frontier threw their hat in the ring to voluntarily serve unprofitable
>>> areas with government assistance.  I'm betting the senator's complaint is
>>> moot because nobody else wants that job.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/15/2020 12:50 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>
>>> I forget who was complaining that SpaceX was getting RDOF money to serve
>>> areas like universities and airports, but FreePress is complaining about
>>> the same thing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Keep in mind this is FreePress, which likes criticizing Internet policy
>>> a lot.  Also winners still have to submit their long forms.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.freepress.net/our-response/expert-analysis/insights-opinions/broadband-boondoggle-ajit-pais-886m-gift-elon-musk
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I also saw that a WV senator was objecting money to Frontier which she
>>> said was not competent to deliver gigabit service in her state.
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