15k is nothing for bigiron, most of our line cards we use are between 10-15k/ piece in refurbished market... "You get what you pay for" we have several customers just not wanting to deal with Mikrotik at the edge anymore and going to other vendors (Extreme/Brocade, Juniper, Cisco..). We are moving to Dell S5xxF Series switches for port aggregation. They have been great switches been running for about a year now at some POPs.
Erich Kaiser North Central Tower [email protected] Office: 815-570-3101 On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 5:25 PM Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: > My guideline is if I'm planning on less than 30 gigs, definitely Mikrotik. > 30 to probably 50 or 60, either way, depending on what I can find for > deals. > More than 60, Juniper\Arista\Cisco\whatever. > > The thresholds for me are mostly centric around what it was cost me to get > something else. There's a high entry point, so I want to make sure that I'm > going to get some mileage out of it compared to just having a mostly empty > router I paid a ton of money for. > > > We've maxed out a quad core Intel Core i7 running ROS v6 in the 8 - 13 gig > area (PPS dependent). Performance seems to scale better with cores than > clock (after all, it's really easy to get 5x more cores, but impossible to > get 5x more clock). We are moving that site to a split Cisco layer 3 switch > and RouterOS on an appliance to get more performance out of what we already > have. We've priced out going to all iron and it's about $15k. That's not > really a pill we're looking to swallow at the moment. We'll run everything > that hits the IX through the switch, so it'll do something like 8k routes > at line rate, then anything full tables, we'll do off of the RouterOS box. > > > In ten years, hopefully you've replaced whatever you bought now, > regardless of what it is. :-) > > > > Elsewhere, I'm trying to decide what iron to use. It's nothing to do with > my doubts of the platform, but it'll be easier to sell services to other > ISPs if I'm running big iron instead of Mikrotik. > > > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Chuck McCown via AF" <[email protected]> > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]> > *Cc: *"Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> > *Sent: *Tuesday, January 19, 2021 5:08:51 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] router programming > > I have never regretted buying one of the best of something in a category. > For example, I went cheap during the early days on imported oscilloscopes. > Finally about 30 years ago I broke down and bought a brand new HP scope. > Still works fine, use it all the time. My favorite scope. My wife swears > by kuru shoes. Expensive but her feet don’t hurt. High quality studded > snow tires. Kennedy tool chests. Kurt vises for CNC mills etc etc. > > So, in 5 years or 10 years will I be happy I went with Juniper over MT? > Will be unhappy I went with MT vs Juniper? > That is the decision I am trying to make. > > *From:* Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2021 1:20 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] router programming > > While I haven't seen that myself, it sure sounds like you're comparing the > hardware reliability of a $50 hex versus a $10,000 Juniper or Cisco. > Remember this started with a need for 1-2 gig of traffic and fear of using > Mikrotik for that job. > > Only time I've personally had issues with OSPF is on older versions or bad > RF links. > > Josh Luthman > 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 2:14 PM Cassidy B. Larson <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Software updates for one. We have hundreds of hex units out there. We >> push out security upgrades regularly. Often times one doesnt come up after >> the upgrade and will need to be swapped as it’s dead. >> >> OSPF on routeros is also where we’ve had plenty of issues. We’ve just >> decided to pull OSPF all together on the leaf ones that have it configured >> so networks are more stable. >> >> >> >> On Jan 19, 2021, at 12:02 PM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Where have you seen it be not stable? >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Cassidy B. Larson" <[email protected]> >> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]> >> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 19, 2021 12:59:40 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] router programming >> >> It’s like playing Jenga. It’s stable until you start making changes. You >> keep running the risk of it toppling over after every change, or it could >> continue to be stable until the next change :) >> >> On Jan 19, 2021, at 11:56, Chuck McCown via AF <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Not a binary thing. Less stable than others perhaps. >> >> *From:* Ryan Ray >> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2021 11:20 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] router programming >> >> Guess we'll have to agree to disagree. >> >> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 9:48 AM Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> The route filters is one. >>> >>> There certainly are others, but I've had the same experiences with brand >>> new iron with support contracts. Shit happens. >>> >>> >>> Saying the platform isn't stable is disingenuous when there are many >>> people using it successfully in a variety of environments. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: *"Ryan Ray" <[email protected]> >>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]> >>> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 19, 2021 11:44:33 AM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] router programming >>> >>> I think you're being disingenuous if you're saying that you have never >>> run into an error or bug on Mikrotik where the only fix is a reboot or to >>> shut services on or off or bring an interface down then up. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 9:36 AM Ryan Ray <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> That's cool, I'm happy for you. In our experience Mikrotik isn't stable >>>> on the Long Term branches. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 8:34 AM Adair Winter < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yet some of us run hundreds of tik routers and 16 plus gb of traffic >>>>> all day erry day. >>>>> It's about know how to make the tools work. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2021, 3:04 PM Ryan Ray <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Cause it's not a stable platform. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 12:22 PM Mike Hammett <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Why would you be surprised when Mikrotik worked? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> *From: *"Dev" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> *Sent: *Monday, January 18, 2021 2:20:23 PM >>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] router programming >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Even used Juniper gear will lead to far less sleepless nights than >>>>>>> MT, a lot easier to find experts too. And they’re just…less Mikrotiky. >>>>>>> People are surprised when Mikrotik works, people are surprised when >>>>>>> Juniper >>>>>>> doesn’t, that’s the difference. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 18, 2021, at 8:24 AM, Chuck McCown via AF <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I use it for my FTTH delivery system. 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