I know there are a huge number of people, unserved currently except for geo-sat, will love this, even if it's 20mb/s.

On 3/4/21 8:54 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Marketing people will certainly tell you that putting up 12,000 wifi APs will 1.2gbps*12,000 capacity though...

I think Starlink is probably going to work very well for what it's supposed to do, but at this point, I don't think most people really understand what it is. There's too much hype around it that's giving people unrealistic expectations... kind of like 5G.

On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 10:26 AM Adam Moffett <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    Yeah but marketing people are dumb in every company.  I don't
    underestimate their engineers, but I do believe the people selling
    it will be prone to overstating what it does.

    I think people keep assuming things like "20Gbps per satellite x
    12,000 satellites = eleventy skillion yottabits"

    Anybody who's ever installed WiFi ought to understand that an AP
    that can theoretically do 1.2gbps doesn't actually do 1.2gbps, and
    putting 12,000 of them in a building wouldn't let you multiply
    capacity * 12,000.

    IMO it will be better than existing satellite systems, but it will
    not be a panacea, and fixed wireless will absolutely still be
    competitive with it.  ....and of course it won't replace cable or
    fiber.

    On 3/4/2021 11:18 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
    As much as we all hope there are operational issues that will
    make it less than perfect, it is made by some very smart people. 
    People smart enough to land a buck rogers rocket on its tail
    feathers. I would not underestimate them.  I am still hopeful
    that there are issues...
    *From:* Bill Prince
    *Sent:* Thursday, March 4, 2021 9:15 AM
    *To:* [email protected]
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already

    If the top is relatively slick, and it's almost always tilted,
    maybe they just need to make a thin layer of water to get it to
    slide off?

    bp
    <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
    On 3/4/2021 5:31 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
    Found this interesting tidbit I didnt know about
    *Snow Melt Mode*
    Deployed basic Snow Melt Mode, during which Starlink produces
    additional heat to mitigate signal attenuation caused by snow
    build-up on the face of the user terminal.
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    *From: *"Matt Hoppes" mailto:[email protected]
    *To: *"af" mailto:[email protected], "Steve Jones"
    mailto:[email protected]
    *Sent: *Thursday, March 4, 2021 8:03:14 AM
    *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already
    He's trying to land a Methane filled blimp while ignited!  We
    already
    provided this was a bad idea with the Hindenburg.

    On 3/3/21 6:50 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
    > what part of beta dont people understand? is it because general
    > consumers are getting beta and dont actually know what beta
    is? this is
    > the same reason we make people cut trees down now BEFORE we
    install. we
    > used to just install and tell them to cut it. but too many
    > people complained about exactly what we told them would happen
    happening.
    >
    > I have faith in starlink, I think in 5 years it will be a
    whole other
    > landscape. Musk seems like one of those guys who thrives on
    detractors
    > and proving people wrong.
    >
    > But regardless, beta is beta
    >
    > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 5:15 PM Jaime Solorza
    <[email protected]
    > mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >     Ha...
    >
    >     On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 3:42 PM Chuck McCown via AF
    <[email protected]
    > mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >         Tin cans and string will be better than Hughes.
    >         *From:* Jaime Solorza
    >         *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 3:20 PM
    >         *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
    >         *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already
    >          From your mouth to God's ears Chuck on Covid-19...
    >         unfortunately it's going to take a step backwards in
    Texas..
    >         I heard some ranchers near Big Bend want to switch
    from Hughes
    >         to Starlink ...my friend does IT work for several of
    them...
    >         curious to see how well it works.
    >         On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:39 PM Chuck McCown via AF
    > mailto:[email protected] wrote:
    >
    >             I think that they are going to find more than enough
    >             customers in hard to serve locations that they
    will not
    >             encroach on the better served areas too much.  I
    am always
    >             an optimist.  BTW, Covid will be done in a month...
    >             *From:* Colin Stanners
    >             *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 9:50 AM
    >             *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
    >             *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already
    >             Starlink *BETA* . Maybe they're simulating load of
    a few
    >             hundred, or a thousand, customers on each bird to
    prepare
    >             for when it's actually busy. (based on the
    "20Gbps" capacity
    >             per sat)
    >             Considering the amount of effort and design that
    goes into
    >             such a massive and complex system, people should
    be thankful
    >             that it's working with a good-enough uptime right now.
    >             On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 10:47 AM Dev
    mailto:[email protected]
    >             wrote:
    >
    >                 Already hearing from folks who have the
    service that
    >                 they’re seeing dips below 15Mbps, and this at
    light
    >                 loads with few customers, we’ll see how this
    scales. Or
    >                 doesn’t. Are others in different geographies
    seeing similar?
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