so you send youre own staff to locate youre own assets, hes not doing locates for other utilities on your proposed paths?
On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 10:53 AM Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: > Right. > > The excavator's only liability is was it properly located or not. If > located properly, excavator is at fault. If not located properly, excavator > is not at fault. > > > USIC's issues are incomplete training, high churn, high workload, in > addition to anything else you'd have at a business (bad managers, etc.). > > > Our locator used to work at USIC and came recommended by one of our > underground contractors. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Steve Jones" <[email protected]> > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]> > *Sent: *Wednesday, January 5, 2022 10:26:38 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Illinois - JULIE membership costs > > so youre talking about youre stuff getting hit, not your contractors > hitting stuff because of bad locates? > I wonder if theyre locating yours based off a map and not actually tone > locating > > On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 10:06 AM Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Yup. Well, "you" as the utility owner. >> >> Utility owner contracts USIC to do their locates. >> USIC does it poorly. >> Excavator hits the poorly marked utility. >> USIC shrugs their shoulders. >> Utility pays to fix it. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Steve Jones" <[email protected]> >> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]> >> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 5, 2022 10:01:47 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Illinois - JULIE membership costs >> >> so an invalid locate puts the liability back on you for a utility strike? >> >> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 9:40 AM Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> 1. They don't always show up. >>> 2. If they do, it's not usually before the digstart time. >>> 3. When they do show up, they don't always mark everything. >>> 4. If they do mark everything, it's not always where it needs to be. >>> >>> >>> >>> We built about 20 miles over the last couple of years (contractors doing >>> the underground work). USIC was at-fault in at least a dozen hits. One of >>> the hits still hasn't been fully repaired from October 2020. That was on a >>> Frontier 48-count fiber that was a pretty important route for them, but >>> USIC was off by 4' in that locate. >>> >>> >>> I will personally be our locator before I depend on USIC to do any of it. >>> >>> >>> USIC's coverage of when they screw up? 10% of your annual spend with >>> them. The USIC sales guy estimated we'd be at their minimum of $5k/year, >>> meaning they'd only cover $500/year of their screw ups. We figured it was >>> cheaper to hire our own locator at $30k/year than USIC at $5k/year. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: *"Steve Jones" <[email protected]> >>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]> >>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 5, 2022 9:21:17 AM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Illinois - JULIE membership costs >>> >>> Ive never heard complaints or had complaints on their locates. Whats >>> your beef with them? If they have GPS CAD they mark points and dont do a >>> physical locate, is that been a problem? >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 9:12 AM Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> USIC... SUUUUXXXXXXX >>>> >>>> >>>> Your neighborhood methhead is more reliable than USIC. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From: *"Nate Burke" <[email protected]> >>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]> >>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 4, 2022 1:47:39 PM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Illinois - JULIE membership costs >>>> >>>> I can't speak to USIC, as we do all our own locates. I wouldn't think >>>> that JULIE would care who you are, as long as you pay your dues, and give >>>> them the map. We have one of our areas where the conduit that runs along >>>> the edge of a private property between 2 buildings, and we gave them that >>>> map, and get locates for it. >>>> >>>> On 1/4/2022 1:29 PM, Steve Jones wrote: >>>> >>>> I havent heard back from JULIE, USIC reached back out and said JULIE >>>> might not let a private line in the locate database. >>>> >>>> What Im looking to achieve is third party notification via JULIE with >>>> third party locate by USIC. I assume thats the standard scenario. This is >>>> two duct paths that will traverse public roads. Ive never done any of this >>>> so Just wanting to make sure the client has the least impact and no >>>> surprise costs >>>> I have to submit the engineering plan to the city, the client has to >>>> get a license agreement with them, then they will get a ROW easement. That >>>> seems to be going pretty straight forward. The big issue is locates, these >>>> are both maintenance heavy roads with waste sewer, storm sewer, multiple >>>> telecom, water mains and laterals, etc and they seem to always be digging >>>> both sections up for one reason or another >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 1:16 PM Nate Burke <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> We are a JULIE member. They are easy to work with when you call >>>>> them. You give them map coordinates, basically a Google Earth outline, >>>>> and >>>>> then you get notified anytime something gets called in for that area. I >>>>> don't' have the bill in front of me, but I think it's ~$150/year and then >>>>> $1 or $2 per ticket. The bigger the area the more tickets you'll get, and >>>>> what's going on in that area. The 5G installations are generating about >>>>> 10-20 tickets per antenna build. Remember, everyone calls JULIE, so if >>>>> you're in a residential area, you'll get lots of sprinkler/mailbox/CATV >>>>> locate tickets. If it touches your area in any way, you'll get notified. >>>>> If you're in an easement behind a house, and they're putting in a new >>>>> mailbox by their driveway, the address touches your area, so you'll get >>>>> notified. >>>>> >>>>> On 1/4/2022 12:35 PM, Steve Jones wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Is anybody here a JULIE member? >>>>> Im looking to find the costs in general for a specific private line to >>>>> be in the notification database >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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