Yes those are all very real issues no doubt. Different issues than having the only physical copy and then trying to figure out how to store them and solve all of those issues as well.
With storage space so cheap digital copies distributed all over the place helps. Physical media and file formats are and always will be an issue. One could propose written specs on software to decode the various formats I suppose. That takes up a lot less room. We could also pound translation tables in to a rock like the Rosetta stone as well. Keeping things in physical format is not going to guarantee they can be understood either. Remember school are now not teaching cursive in many places. So that will look like Greek 250 years from now if that keeps up too. So many of these documents are of little importance to the mass of people, they will be important to select few when you look at the statistics and the reason for having to do so. Heck even the census bureau releases the public documents/data after so long. It’s not like 20 years of cancelled checks or DMV records are going to be the huge archeological find 500 years from now. Thank you, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com From: AF [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Zach Underwood Sent: Wednesday, February 9, 2022 2:27 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Document Storage Scanning them into digital form brings up new problems like file format, Are we sure we will be able to still open pdf,docx or png files in 250 years like we can still do with paper? Also even if we are sure we can open the file format, are we sure we can still read the media it is stored on, will the media last that long are we going to have to keep moving the files to new storage media every few years? On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 2:14 PM Brian Webster <[email protected]> wrote: In the Navy we had very large Halon system to combat fires in the main engineering spaces. If you worked in that space you actually wore a person sized breathing device that would last you long enough to get out of that space if Halon was activated. And you can bet we had a lot of training about it, the alarms, the time you had to get out after the alarm sounded before it was deployed etc. In conjunction with the idea of losing documents, we should as a society get better at scanning these things. It is so much easier to have multiple diverse digital copies of these than the physical paper. Hell the banking industry got out of the paper check stuff 20 years ago. Have you looked at old documents scanned from original from places like Ancestry.com or Family.searc.org? They have links to a lot of governmental document sources, for instance I could see scans of the military muster reports for family members in the revolutionary war or from the state records of pension payments to civil war veterans. Mind boggling that we can now see scans of those original documents. Thank you, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com From: AF [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Wednesday, February 9, 2022 1:36 PM To: [email protected] Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Document Storage I visited one of those once. Before going in we had to have a training session about the alarms and the controls. Not sure if we were supposed to do something other than leave if the alarm went off. Maybe there was a delay to allow us to exit before releasing the gas. It was a serious deal. From: Bill Prince Sent: Wednesday, February 9, 2022 11:11 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Document Storage In my former years, data centers often had halon systems which would displace air in the entire data center. They were phased out because no air is just as bad for humans as it is for fires. bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 2/9/2022 10:03 AM, Zach Underwood wrote: Automate the whole racking system so that you can purge oxygen out of the whole room? On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 12:42 PM Chuck McCown via AF <[email protected]> wrote: Wow, I am sure there are lots of irreplaceable documents. So if you were to build one, I wonder how to prevent this same problem? I guess structural engineering needs to presume all the racks are full of water. -----Original Message----- From: Nate Burke Sent: Wednesday, February 9, 2022 10:36 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Document Storage Here in the Chicago suburbs, a 250k sqft document storage warehouse just burned down. It took them a week to put out the fire. 30' Racks stacked with banker boxes, when the building sprinklers hit it, the paper got waterlogged and got too heavy for the racks to support and came down, taking roof supports and building sprinkler system down with them. Once the roof was opened up, the fire got lots of air, and just started raging. With the roof gone, nothing was holding up the precast walls, etc.etc. Basically there's no more building left. So what kind of paper documents are stored in warehouses like this? Bank Documents? Law office contracts? The Panama Papers? I'm just curious what the market is for industrial scale paper storage like this. I see a lot of storage places like this around the suburbs. Iron Mountain has a couple big facilities. I'm guessing you are responsible for your own redundant copies at multiple storage warehouses? 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