Re: [AFMUG] OT: Document Storage

Wed, 09 Feb 2022 14:04:01 -0800

Most, if not all, of the cloud storage systems have multiple copies that are regularly moved around. I even think they have stuff in triplicate. 

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On 2/9/2022 1:53 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Do we trust the cloud?
I have read of holographic crystal storage that is supposed to last forever.
 
From: Robert
Sent: Wednesday, February 9, 2022 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Document Storage
 
The issue with digital storage is the duration of the digital copies.  Even laser discs decay over time, magnetic images decay faster.   Tape images done in the 60s are being retranscribed with serious errors because of decay of the magnetic poles...

On 2/9/22 11:13 AM, Brian Webster wrote:

In the Navy we had very large Halon system to combat fires in the main engineering spaces. If you worked in that space you actually wore a person sized breathing device that would last you long enough to get out of that space if Halon was activated. And you can bet we had a lot of training about it, the alarms, the time you had to get out after the alarm sounded before it was deployed etc.

 

In conjunction with the idea of losing documents, we should as a society get better at scanning these things. It is so much easier to have multiple diverse digital copies of these than the physical paper. Hell the banking industry got out of the paper check stuff 20 years ago. Have you looked at old documents scanned from original from places like Ancestry.com or Family.searc.org? They have links to a lot of governmental document sources, for instance I could see scans of the military muster reports for family members in the revolutionary war or from the state records of pension payments to civil war veterans. Mind boggling that we can now see scans of those original documents.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

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Sent: Wednesday, February 9, 2022 1:36 PM
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I visited one of those once.  Before going in we had to have a training session about the alarms and the controls.  Not sure if we were supposed to do something other than leave if the alarm went off.  Maybe there was a delay to allow us to exit before releasing the gas.  It was a serious deal. 

 

From: Bill Prince

Sent: Wednesday, February 9, 2022 11:11 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Document Storage

 

In my former years, data centers often had halon systems which would displace air in the entire data center. They were phased out because no air is just as bad for humans as it is for fires.

 

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On 2/9/2022 10:03 AM, Zach Underwood wrote:

Automate the whole racking system so that you can purge oxygen out of the whole room?

 

On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 12:42 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:[email protected] wrote:

Wow, I am sure there are lots of irreplaceable documents.  So if you were to
build one, I wonder how to prevent this same problem?
I guess structural engineering needs to presume all the racks are full of
water.

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From: Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, February 9, 2022 10:36 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Document Storage

Here in the Chicago suburbs, a 250k sqft document storage warehouse just
burned down.  It took them a week to put out the fire.  30' Racks
stacked with banker boxes, when the building sprinklers hit it, the
paper got waterlogged and got too heavy for the racks to support and
came down, taking roof supports and building sprinkler system down with
them.  Once the roof was opened up, the fire got lots of air, and just
started raging.  With the roof gone, nothing was holding up the precast
walls, etc.etc.  Basically there's no more building left.

So what kind of paper documents are stored in warehouses like this? Bank
Documents?  Law office contracts?  The Panama Papers?  I'm just curious
what the market is for industrial scale paper storage like this.  I see
a lot of storage places like this around the suburbs. Iron Mountain has
a couple big facilities.  I'm guessing you are responsible for your own
redundant copies at multiple storage warehouses?  Also seems like if
there are just boxes of papers stacked on a shelf, there's really no
security.

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