Apparently Zoom tier1 isn’t helping.  “Check your firewall settings” and other 
basic stuff.  I don’t know if they’re just script readers or if this IT guy 
doesn’t know what to ask.  

 

I don’t want to be the guy who just points fingers at the other guy, so I’m 
trying.  I just wish I could capture the SIP messages….friggin TLS so super 
secure that I can’t friggin help you.  If only the world had no bad people, 
then we wouldn’t need security.

I want to hear Steve Jones’s plan for eliminating all the bad people.  I bet he 
has one.

 

 

 

From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2023 10:49 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Yealink "Forbidden"

 

This is really simple. If they can ping the internet or do anything else that 
requires internet at the same time the phones show offline, it's not your 
problem. They should be contacting their phone provider.

 

Their voip provider can provide them host names to ping or trace to in order to 
troubleshoot. If you don't sell the voip, you shouldn't be troubleshooting it 
aside from making sure your network ping, jitter, and packetloss are normal. 

 

On Wed, May 3, 2023, 8:13 AM <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> 
> wrote:

I’m trying to help a customer with their Yealink phones.  Their provider is 
Zoom.

I’m 99% sure this is not my problem, but I’m chronically too nice to people so 
I’m helping anyway.

 

So apparently when they go to dial out they’ll get a message on the screen 
saying “Forbidden”.  I’m not sure if there’s more to the message because I only 
know what they’re telling me.   When this starts happening their IT guy says 
the phones show up as “offline” in whatever management portal they’re using.  
They factory reset the phone, it reprovisions, shows up as “online” in their 
portal and works again for some period of minutes or hours and then does the 
same thing again.  I asked if a simple reboot works, but the IT guy says they 
factory reset instead of reboot because it’s so easy to do 🙄. 

 

They point at me because the phone is “offline”, and they’re tying it to 
network maintenance that was done on Monday morning, but their story is not 
totally consistent about what day it started.  May have been Monday, may have 
been last week, depends who you ask.  I’ve taken packet captures and I can see 
the supposedly “offline” phone talking on port 443 to an AWS server (I assume 
provisioning server) and talking to Zoom on port 5091.  That’s all TLS/SSL so I 
can’t see the messages, but they’re definitely still talking to the mothership 
when they’re reported as “offline”.  They also do other normal stuff like DNS 
queries, NTP sync, and normal LAN chatter like CDP, ARP, etc.  I also checked 
for packet loss to the phones and there’s none/negligible loss.  So I’m telling 
these guys your phones are 100% definitely not offline.  I told them they need 
to check with Zoom to see what application layer messages are happening, 
because due to the encryption I don’t have a clue, but I’d wager the carrier is 
sending back a 403 Forbidden for some reason.

 

Below is a screenshot of his management tool (customer name blocked out).  I 
don’t recognize it, maybe one of you all does.  

In the meantime I’m wondering if the collective has seen something like this 
with Yealink and/or Zoom.  Any wild-ass guesses?  

 



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