Funny, this kinda sounds like what's happening with Starlink and their
connections to zoom, but those seem to be fixed by going to a different
set of dns servers ( that is what the jungle drums are drumming )
On 5/4/23 1:23 PM, [email protected] wrote:
So this actually _was_ my issue.
I had disabled port isolation on 3 switches knowing I was going to
move the uplink ports when I changed topology.
Normally if you have port isolation misconfigured then nothing works.
Apparently on the CRS226-24G-2S+ if you have the ports assigned to
isolation profiles and then disable those profiles then it /sometimes/
drop /some /traffic to that port. This didn’t become apparent until I
did a capture onsite with a mirrored port. I could ping the phone
100% of the time with zero drops, they’d get DHCP, and talk to the
Internet, but /some /reply traffic doesn’t make it back to the
device. I assume it’s a bug. You reboot the phones and they work
again for awhile, but then after some period of time they’d just stop
working with Zoom. Two possible fixes are remove port isolation
profiles from all ports, or configure it correctly and enable the
profile. What’s funny is there were 20+ apartments on the affected
switches for 3 days and none of them reported any issue…..so I assume
there was just some general low level packet loss and maybe Zoom was
just extra tender about it? That or the bug is specific to something
about the Zoom traffic. Whatever the case, I have a fix, and I’m
moving on with life. Not gonna test any more thoroughly on an EOL switch.
I’m glad Mikrotik discontinued the 226. This ain’t the first weird
thing I ran into on these.
I never did get an application layer log, so I don’t know why the
“forbidden” message. Maybe Zoom says your connection is shitty and
I’d rather block you with a 403 you than let you have a bad MOS? Or
maybe Yealink says “forbidden” for any general connectivity issue?
Again it’s behind me now and I don’t care enough to test more. I’m
just shouting at the wind now.
-Adam
*From:* Adam Moffett <[email protected]>
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 03, 2023 8:27 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Yealink "Forbidden"
Thank you sir
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*From:*AF <[email protected]> on behalf of Steve Jones
<[email protected]>
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 3, 2023 4:34:51 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Yealink "Forbidden"
Its a bold assumption that its the bad people i want to eliminate (-:
Im not saying either way
but if there were no "good" people, then "bad" people could only stand
to get better. growth like that brings joy
If all the "bad" people were gone, then good people would only stand
to get worse. Decline brings sadness.
Call me the harbinger of joy
On Wed, May 3, 2023 at 11:47 AM <[email protected]> wrote:
Apparently Zoom tier1 isn’t helping. “Check your firewall
settings” and other basic stuff. I don’t know if they’re just
script readers or if this IT guy doesn’t know what to ask.
I don’t want to be the guy who just points fingers at the other
guy, so I’m trying. I just wish I could capture the SIP
messages….friggin TLS so super secure that I can’t friggin help
you. If only the world had no bad people, then we wouldn’t need
security.
I want to hear Steve Jones’s plan for eliminating all the bad
people. I bet he has one.
*From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Darin Steffl
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 03, 2023 10:49 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Yealink "Forbidden"
This is really simple. If they can ping the internet or do
anything else that requires internet at the same time the phones
show offline, it's not your problem. They should be contacting
their phone provider.
Their voip provider can provide them host names to ping or trace
to in order to troubleshoot. If you don't sell the voip, you
shouldn't be troubleshooting it aside from making sure your
network ping, jitter, and packetloss are normal.
On Wed, May 3, 2023, 8:13 AM <[email protected]> wrote:
I’m trying to help a customer with their Yealink phones.
Their provider is Zoom.
I’m 99% sure this is not my problem, but I’m chronically too
nice to people so I’m helping anyway.
So apparently when they go to dial out they’ll get a message
on the screen saying “Forbidden”. I’m not sure if there’s
more to the message because I only know what they’re telling
me. When this starts happening their IT guy says the phones
show up as “offline” in whatever management portal they’re
using. They factory reset the phone, it reprovisions, shows
up as “online” in their portal and works again for some period
of minutes or hours and then does the same thing again. I
asked if a simple reboot works, but the IT guy says they
factory reset instead of reboot because it’s so easy to do 🙄.
They point at me because the phone is “offline”, and they’re
tying it to network maintenance that was done on Monday
morning, but their story is not totally consistent about what
day it started. May have been Monday, may have been last
week, depends who you ask. I’ve taken packet captures and I
can see the supposedly “offline” phone talking on port 443 to
an AWS server (I assume provisioning server) and talking to
Zoom on port 5091. That’s all TLS/SSL so I can’t see the
messages, but they’re definitely still talking to the
mothership when they’re reported as “offline”. They also do
other normal stuff like DNS queries, NTP sync, and normal LAN
chatter like CDP, ARP, etc. I also checked for packet loss to
the phones and there’s none/negligible loss. So I’m telling
these guys your phones are 100% definitely _not_ offline. I
told them they need to check with Zoom to see what application
layer messages are happening, because due to the encryption I
don’t have a clue, but I’d wager the carrier is sending back a
403 Forbidden for some reason.
Below is a screenshot of his management tool (customer name
blocked out). I don’t recognize it, maybe one of you all does.
In the meantime I’m wondering if the collective has seen
something like this with Yealink and/or Zoom. Any wild-ass
guesses?
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