But United mandated for new hires that half be women or black or both. The
only way to do that was to lower standards. That was the whole point. There
are not a bunch of new pilots with the 5000 normally needed to get the first
officer stripes. While an ATP rating can be obtained at 1500 hours, only local
regionals will hire them. In order to get the applicants the United DEI policy
mandated, they were going to have to take those with fewer hours and perhaps
non college grads. They have since walked this back and only say now that the
only criteria on hiring will be merit. I would not want a cockpit full of 1500
hour pilots on a 777 international flight.
What Kirk started with was flawed. He stated that United wanted to have 50% of
their pilots be minorities. That's not what United was saying. What they were
saying was they wanted to increase hiring of minorities to get them up to a
more representative portion of their actual pilots (i.e. not 50% of the total).
You need to read the percentages correctly.
bp
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On 9/20/2025 12:17 PM, [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
I wish you would discuss that one Kirk issue I sent you the link on. I want to
know why people think he is so bad in stating an obvious statistical fact. If
you have been mandated to get more items from a limited pool of varying
quality, you are going to have to take lower quality items if you need to meet
a quota.
How is that so hard to understand. Then if your customers know that your are
now having to lower your standards to meet the quota, why would they be
condemned for being curious about the quality your products now.
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Right. I listened to a segment on NPR this morning, and the person they had was
examining what, if any, ideology the shooter had, and he seemed very base, and
not really aligned left or right, but looking somehow to make a name for
himself.
Kirk, OTOH, was mainly a conflict entrepreneur. Good debater, even if I
disagree with most of his arguments.
bp
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On 9/20/2025 11:16 AM, [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
OK, I presumed he meant Kirk was not a deep thinker. I find most of his
content to be cogent.
The shooter... no deep thoughts there.
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Chuck, I'm pretty sure Bill meant the shooter was not a deep thinker and just
wanted his name in the headlines. I don't think he was taking shots at Kirk
with that comment.
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I think it is pretty bad to vilify and judge someone that you don't know. Kirk
said harsh and provocative things. But they were well reasoned and thought
out. For example the "Black Pilots" issue that is tossed around so much. The
critics have not taken the time to listen to the whole argument. I agree with
his argument. Not a racial thing, it is simple stats.
Watch it and tell me how this is a racist comment. Tell me how he is wrong?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBiiQY0Rgpg
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I believe Chuck thinks you mean Charlie Kirk when you say "the guy", as opposed
to the guy who shot him.
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I have never watched anything from him. At all.
Like I said, I did not know he existed before last week.
bp
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On 9/20/2025 10:07 AM, Chuck wrote:
Apparently you have not watched much of his debate work. Especially
at Oxford Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 20, 2025, at 10:53 AM, Bill Prince <mailto:[email protected]>
<[email protected]> wrote:
I disagree with that statement.
Before Kirk was shot, I'd never heard his name.
I didn't attempt to find out what he did until a day or two after he was
declared dead.
Next thing I heard was that the guy they arrested came from a conservative
(possibly MAGA) family. That was not certain.
The more we hear about the guy, the more he seems like he was a-political, and
did not conform to either right or left labels.
He is certainly not a deep thinker. I think he just wanted to see his name in
the headlines. Meme-centric point of view.
bp
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On 9/20/2025 8:59 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
Desperately trying? By the time he said this, everyone knew the kid wasn't MAGA
and the opposite was true. It was a blatant lie to smear people on the right
and everyone knows it. Otherwise, he'd still have a job.
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