He inflated the value of properties when it suited him, and deflated the value of the same properties when it suited him. His accountant went to jail, even though he refused to testify. Donnie got away without jail time because "he didn't know anything about it". Yeah, sure.

bp
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On 9/22/2025 10:47 AM, [email protected] wrote:

If you are speaking to the net worth calculations for the purpose of financing, everyone tries to come up with the largest number they can when doing this.  The bankers were 100% OK with it and they even said they did not suffer any damages and did not think the prosecution was legit.  So, the Donald applied a favorable valuation, the bank said OK, but the court said “not so fast now”.  Yeah such a crime…

*From:*AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Monday, September 22, 2025 11:32 AM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT? Carr and Kimmel and "jawboning"

The fine was in the neighborhood of $700 to $800 million (I forget the actual amount). I think it was inflated because of his behavior, but I did not follow it that closely. The fine was invalidated, but I think it should have been reduced to something more appropriate. The felon made numerous threats to the judge in the case, and I don't think it played in his favor.

bp
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On 9/22/2025 10:11 AM, Jan-GAMs wrote:

    Any other person this would have been a class "C" felony and jail
    for years and years.  Has he even paid his fine yet?  Who did he
    bribe?  Maybe it was an "offer they couldn't refuse"?

    On 9/22/25 09:55, Steve Jones wrote:

        "fraud" lol, where a never used rule was used? for "victims"
        that said they werent victims?

        100m is peanuts in those transactions.

        that like a 256mb thumbdrive in a datacenter

        On Mon, Sep 22, 2025 at 11:51 AM Bill Prince
        <[email protected]> wrote:

            His fraud was in the neighborhood of well over 100 million
            dollars. If that's no big deal to you, then you operate in
            a different financial mind space than 99% of the US.

            To me that is not in the same league as jay walking.

            bp

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            On 9/22/2025 8:09 AM, [email protected] wrote:

                OK, on the felony thing:  It was 34 acts of posting a
                legal expense to a general ledger account that the
                extremely biased and politically motivated prosecutor,
                judge and jury found to be “improper”, as perhaps the
                GL account number offended their feng shui.  The IRS
                and the NY department of revenue were not offended.
                Meh they said.  This was seriously thin soup.  But
                they got it rammed through.  All individually were
                misdemeanors.  Equivalent to jay walking or spitting
                your gum on the street.

                However NY has a rule that if you have enough
                misdemeanors in one pile you can convert them to a
                felony.

                So anyone saying: ” yeah that felon” gets a snicker
                and smirk from me.  Like, is that the best you can do?

                *From:*AF <[email protected]>
                <mailto:[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Jan-GAMs
                *Sent:* Sunday, September 21, 2025 11:34 PM
                *To:* [email protected]
                *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT? Carr and Kimmel and "jawboning"

                34 count felon by several juries makes one want to
                give him a hug?  I have daughters and grand-daughters
                and I know he's been on that island with Jeffrey and
                on the Lolita express more than once by his own
                words.  That's another factoid that makes him
                disgusting to me.  Do you need more than juries to
                know you have to agree for a serial rapist to be put
                in jail?  How about the prisons in Utah?  You want
                them to release all the rapists because you personally
                don't know  and don't want to vilify/judge them?  I
                didn't personally meet Hitler nor Stalin, either.  I
                think that's pretty bad to give criminals that big of
                a break.  Rape, child rape, bank fraud, tax fraud, the
                list gets too extensive... because now it's escalated
                up to murder, multiple.  The only explanation is
                organized crime made a deal they (the GOP) couldn't
                refuse!

                On 9/21/25 12:09, Jan-GAMs wrote:

                    I am absolutely positive 90% of my ancestors
                    fought in the revolution against King George and
                    those same ancestors are rolling in their graves
                    about how another usurper criminal felon King Don
                    is in the whitehouse.  Absolutely positive about
                    it.  Not at all mixed about it.  I didn't like him
                    at all 30 years ago, found his TV shows offensive,
                    found everything about him to be rude, crud and
                    lewd, repulsive in every way.  Only thing I can
                    figure is the state of Nevada said he couldn't own
                    a casino in their state because he was mafia and I
                    agree with their opinion.  He must have made an
                    offer to the GOP and Supreme court they couldn't
                    refuse (godfather) and they took the offer.

                    On 9/21/25 11:22, Bill Prince wrote:

                        Not mixed at all for me. I find the guy (not
                        THAT guy) repulsive in almost every way.

                        He is visibly and verbally deteriorating. No
                        one will have to kill him; he will expire all
                        by himself (just like most of us I guess), but
                        I openly wonder if he will survive to November
                        2028.

                        bp

                        <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

                        On 9/20/2025 2:24 PM, [email protected] wrote:

                            Trump is such a mixed bag for me.  I do
                            like many of the policies.  I don’t find
                            much to like about the man.

                            *From:*AF <[email protected]>
                            <mailto:[email protected]> *On
                            Behalf Of *Robert
                            *Sent:* Saturday, September 20, 2025 2:47 PM
                            *To:* [email protected]
                            *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT? Carr and Kimmel
                            and "jawboning"

                            I am guessing that wouldn't make Trump a
                            hero to you....

                            On 9/20/25 11:59 AM, [email protected] wrote:

                                I think it is pretty bad to vilify and
                                judge someone that you don't know



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