None of the photos I've seen of these boats being destroyed with people
on them have shown anything that could be remotely divined as a "bundle"
of drugs. These boats are the means for people to travel to the
islands. Commuters are being murdered. I hope these bastards doing the
killing are going to get hunted down by the ICC and made very sorry.
On 10/22/25 14:23, Adam Moffett wrote:
Yes, and that's the primary argument against this practice. If we
have solid intel that they're carrying drugs, and we know where they
are, then as soon as they enter our territorial waters we can board
the boat and arrest them. The Coast Guard doesn't need a warrant or
even a specific reason to board a boat. Some of those boats are
faster than Cutters, but I don't have solid info on how often they
actually escape when they're already being tracked. It's hard to
imagine they really get away often because the Coast Guard also has
helicopters, and they're allowed to continue a pursuit into
international waters (and onto land) as long as the pursuit started in
US waters.
Regardless of how often they really get away, it's not normal to blow
up someone's boat as a law enforcement action. We also don't execute
drug traffickers, and even when the state executes someone there's a
trial first.
but.....
*
post-911 we treat foreign terrorist organizations as enemy combatants
*
the executive branch gets to decide who counts as an FTO. The sec
of state, sec of treasury, and attorney general all have to agree,
but they also all have the same boss.
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Nobody can really stop the executive branch from declaring an FTO.
o
Congress could pass a bill to override someone's listing as an
FTO, but to date they've never done it.
o
The courts could overturn an FTO listing, but for a lot of
reasons it's almost impossible.
So effectively the President and/or their cabinet has a completely
legal pathway to authorize military force against just about anyone,
and there's very little anyone can do about it. It's not that I have
sympathy for drug smugglers, it's that all we can do is take someone's
word for it that it was a drug smuggler. If anyone is totally
comfortable with that then I'm curious what your rationale is.
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I thought the Coast Guard was able to intercept boats and board them,
arrest people and confiscate cargo. I seem to remember they
specifically acquired high speed boats that were a match for anything
a drug runner might have.
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