Reporting I heard on NPR was that when the Coast Guard boards suspected
boats, anywhere from 25-50 percent of the boats are innocent.
So if they don't bother to board, they are likely just shooting people
out of the water.
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On 10/22/2025 8:50 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Yeah, but if it’s on the ocean, I’d prefer to see a Hawaii Five 0
style chase. With McGarrett in a speedboat, and at the end he says
“book ‘em, Danno”.
Besides, I think the Coasties are an underappreciated branch of the US
military.
*From:*AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2025 8:31 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the Pacific
I prefer to see cartels bombed. When they started moving the fent,
they chose bombs. A little nose candy here and there, some dope, a
little crystal, even some heroin was manageable. But these ducks
decided to move shit that one mistake kills. Fuckbag dealers are
putting it it club drugs and on vicodins. Kids don't have a chance to
make a mistake.
Bomb the shit out of them. Sink their boats, cut their life jackets,
chum the waters, I don't care as long as they die. They don't want to
give our kids a second chance, their adults deserve as terrible a
death as possible. Idgaf about human rights, they don't, and I have no
interest in the high road.
On Wed, Oct 22, 2025, 6:45 PM Dev <[email protected]> wrote:
Turns out drug dealers sometimes get shot, who knew? Maybe they
were delivering critical supplies to orphanages, because
speedboats with three engines mean urgent care is being delivered
expeditiously?
On Oct 22, 2025, at 3:03 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:
Article on the latest generation of US Coast Guard “Over The
Horizon” boats.
https://www.workboat.com/shipbuilding/test-driving-the-coast-guard-s-new-over-the-horizon-cutter-boat
Generally deployed from a ramp on the back of a larger cutter
along with helicopters. These things vaguely remind me of the
WWII PT boats.
I would not want to try and outrun the Coast Guard.
*From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2025 4:24 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the Pacific
Yes, and that's the primary argument against this practice.
If we have solid intel that they're carrying drugs, and we
know where they are, then as soon as they enter our
territorial waters we can board the boat and arrest them. The
Coast Guard doesn't need a warrant or even a specific reason
to board a boat. Some of those boats are faster than Cutters,
but I don't have solid info on how often they actually escape
when they're already being tracked. It's hard to imagine they
really get away often because the Coast Guard also has
helicopters, and they're allowed to continue a pursuit into
international waters (and onto land) as long as the pursuit
started in US waters.
Regardless of how often they really get away, it's not normal
to blow up someone's boat as a law enforcement action. We
also don't execute drug traffickers, and even when the state
executes someone there's a trial first.
but.....
* post-911 we treat foreign terrorist organizations as enemy
combatants
* the executive branch gets to decide who counts as an FTO.
The sec of state, sec of treasury, and attorney general
all have to agree, but they also all have the same boss.
* Nobody can really stop the executive branch from declaring
an FTO.
o Congress could pass a bill to override someone's
listing as an FTO, but to date they've never done it.
o The courts could overturn an FTO listing, but for a
lot of reasons it's almost impossible.
So effectively the President and/or their cabinet has a
completely legal pathway to authorize military force against
just about anyone, and there's very little anyone can do about
it. It's not that I have sympathy for drug smugglers, it's
that all we can do is take someone's word for it that it was a
drug smuggler. If anyone is totally comfortable with that
then I'm curious what your rationale is.
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*From:* AF <[email protected]> on behalf of Ken Hohhof
<[email protected]>
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2025 3:00 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the Pacific
_https://x.com/SecWar/status/1981049943306752361
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I thought the Coast Guard was able to intercept boats and
board them, arrest people and confiscate cargo. I seem to
remember they specifically acquired high speed boats that were
a match for anything a drug runner might have.
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