Im demoing different powerline adapters looking for one thats somewhat
stable. I have a comtrend that did pretty well through 2 sub panels and a
florescent fixture, but not handoff ready, if ever

On Mon, Nov 17, 2025 at 12:19 PM Josh Luthman <[email protected]>
wrote:

> I am looking at making my business scale.  I'm not interested in any a)
> any copper or b) any PTP radios.  We do not make money on making it easier
> for these people to get two services.  I've had billions of issues with
> copper - 10/100/1000 rate issues, water, failures, etc.  I'm not interested
> in 60 GHz because people will park an RV in front of it and then it's
> screwed, causing a truck roll (I avoid truck rolls like the plague!)  Over
> the summer we've been mostly waiting on BEAD and just maintenance mode -
> basically 0 truck rolls.  This is what I want to see over the next 10+
> years.
>
> Our general steps are
>
> 1) see if our ONT (u6x) covers both buildings
> 2) add Mesh units (u4m) to try and extend it through houses/outbuildings
> 3) second service
>
> We tell the customer we will try the steps but if they want the best
> option they will need a second service.  We waive all installation costs to
> the second building on their property.  It's a 1x2 splitter from the
> original drop and then we Y it off.
>
> On Sun, Nov 16, 2025 at 5:52 PM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Can I assume the bigger fiber ISP’s would not offer these options?
>> Compared to local/regional providers that maybe started out as WISPs?
>>
>>
>>
>> I will say at least Illinois made an effort to hand out BEAD fiber awards
>> to local companies.  Comcast fiber did get one area by me, but there’s a
>> consortium of small telcos, and a small WISP/FISP from a town west of
>> Rockford.  They also chose Amazon Kuiper (now renamed Amazon Leo) over
>> Starlink, I don’t know if Amazon submitted a more attractive bid, or if it
>> was just to poke a finger in Elon’s eye.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 16, 2025 12:53 PM
>> *To:* [email protected]
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FTTH and outbuildings
>>
>>
>>
>> I think it depends on a mishmash of competition, distance, usage, and
>> what your charity level is.
>>
>> If it's an outbuilding, then usage will probably be low, but if it's
>> 1,000 feet away, then it's a significant upgrade.
>>
>> If the customer is running a business out there, then usage might be
>> significant, which could justify a separate account.
>>
>> and... what would your competitors do?
>>
>> Burying a cable (fiber or copper) is probably a significant expense, and
>> if it can be cast as an extension, the simplest thing is T&M for the
>> extension. However, if the usage is that low, then a PTP link would be
>> simpler, cheaper, and satisfy the usage requirement.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>>
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>> On 11/16/2025 9:47 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> Now that we’re seeing a lot of rural fiber going in (or will soon due to
>> BEAD), what is the typical approach when customers have outbuildings?
>>
>>
>>
>> Run a second drop and sell them a second service?  Give them a WiFi mesh
>> extender and tell them to put it in the outbuilding and pray?  Bury a fiber
>> or Ethernet cable from the house to the outbuilding and charge them a
>> one-time fee?  Tell them it’s a home networking problem and call Geek
>> Squad?  Assume WiFi7 “whole home WiFi” is so amazing it will just work?
>>
>>
>>
>> Some people just have a shed or barn, but lots also use them for family
>> gatherings or football watch parties and there are definitely TVs out
>> there.  I don’t think this is as common in the city and suburbs where fiber
>> usually lives.
>>
>>
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