Re: [AFMUG] FTTH and outbuildings

Chuck Mon, 17 Nov 2025 14:35:22 -0800

They send the signal on the neutral.

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On Nov 17, 2025, at 2:09 PM, Bill Prince <[email protected]> wrote:

I have had good experiences with D-Link and Netgear powerline adapters. We've had our TV on a powerline adapter (D-Link) for several years because I was too lazy to run another drop behind the TV.

The difficult thing to get across is that (1) outlets on different subpanels will probably not connect, and (2) that the distance measured is the sum of each outlet to the common point (usually the subpanel, but see #1).
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On 11/17/2025 12:26 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Art* not science. I’ve had them work, more often I’ve had them not work**.

* i.e. magic

** slow with packet loss

From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2025 2:18 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FTTH and outbuildings

Im demoing different powerline adapters looking for one thats somewhat stable. I have a comtrend that did pretty well through 2 sub panels and a florescent fixture, but not handoff ready, if ever

On Mon, Nov 17, 2025 at 12:19 PM Josh Luthman <[email protected]> wrote:

I am looking at making my business scale. I'm not interested in any a) any copper or b) any PTP radios. We do not make money on making it easier for these people to get two services. I've had billions of issues with copper - 10/100/1000 rate issues, water, failures, etc. I'm not interested in 60 GHz because people will park an RV in front of it and then it's screwed, causing a truck roll (I avoid truck rolls like the plague!) Over the summer we've been mostly waiting on BEAD and just maintenance mode - basically 0 truck rolls. This is what I want to see over the next 10+ years.

Our general steps are

1) see if our ONT (u6x) covers both buildings

2) add Mesh units (u4m) to try and extend it through houses/outbuildings

3) second service

We tell the customer we will try the steps but if they want the best option they will need a second service. We waive all installation costs to the second building on their property. It's a 1x2 splitter from the original drop and then we Y it off.
On Sun, Nov 16, 2025 at 5:52 PM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:
Can I assume the bigger fiber ISP’s would not offer these options? Compared to local/regional providers that maybe started out as WISPs?

I will say at least Illinois made an effort to hand out BEAD fiber awards to local companies. Comcast fiber did get one area by me, but there’s a consortium of small telcos, and a small WISP/FISP from a town west of Rockford. They also chose Amazon Kuiper (now renamed Amazon Leo) over Starlink, I don’t know if Amazon submitted a more attractive bid, or if it was just to poke a finger in Elon’s eye.

From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2025 12:53 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FTTH and outbuildings

I think it depends on a mishmash of competition, distance, usage, and what your charity level is.

If it's an outbuilding, then usage will probably be low, but if it's 1,000 feet away, then it's a significant upgrade.

If the customer is running a business out there, then usage might be significant, which could justify a separate account.

and... what would your competitors do?

Burying a cable (fiber or copper) is probably a significant expense, and if it can be cast as an extension, the simplest thing is T&M for the extension. However, if the usage is that low, then a PTP link would be simpler, cheaper, and satisfy the usage requirement.
bp
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On 11/16/2025 9:47 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Now that we’re seeing a lot of rural fiber going in (or will soon due to BEAD), what is the typical approach when customers have outbuildings?

Run a second drop and sell them a second service? Give them a WiFi mesh extender and tell them to put it in the outbuilding and pray? Bury a fiber or Ethernet cable from the house to the outbuilding and charge them a one-time fee? Tell them it’s a home networking problem and call Geek Squad? Assume WiFi7 “whole home WiFi” is so amazing it will just work?

Some people just have a shed or barn, but lots also use them for family gatherings or football watch parties and there are definitely TVs out there. I don’t think this is as common in the city and suburbs where fiber usually lives.
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